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August 23, 2006 at 11:47 am

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doolittle

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Well watching the news this afternoon on good old Channel4 i have watch a topic about the new anti-Smoking rules!

Did you know that in Scotland alone the sales of drink and peole using public houses, clubs have dropped as much as 46% in customers not using public venues and the sale of Drinks has also been reduced by another 26%, But the Food scene in restaurants has gone up quite alot and has risen by 26%!

So what are you opinions on the anti-smoking that WILL take place next year! On one point i am worried because im a Promoter and of course this will hit my events pretty hard, Ok alot of people are saying things will drop to start off with but will pick right back up again after people get used to it. On a bonus for myself im a smoker who does find it very hard to give up and its alot harder when im booked to play for events because i see so many people smoking and jiust get the taste for it, so djing does not really help me give up smoking even if i have not had a fag during the week and as soon as i go out or play out and have a drink or two inside me then of i go again!

So whats your opinions on this matter?
August 23, 2006 at 12:08 pm

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General Lighting

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doolittle wrote:

So what are you opinions on the anti-smoking that WILL take place next year! On one point i am worried because im a Promoter and of course this will hit my events pretty hard, Ok alot of people are saying things will drop to start off with but will pick right back up again after people get used to it.

well our Scottish crew still seem to be finding events and venues

OTOH I do think there is a risk that those who depend on venue management for their incomes will move away from events which may attract smokers to increase their potential revenue, so smaller venues may fold (because the investors remove their backing) or become restaurants..

Tobacco is one of the most powerful addictions and the state restricting it will just end up with a proportion of people who do not accept the ban voting with their feet and buying booze/fags from the off license and socialising at home.

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On a bonus for myself im a smoker who does find it very hard to give up and its alot harder when im booked to play for events because i see so many people smoking and jiust get the taste for it, so djing does not really help me give up smoking even if i have not had a fag during the week and as soon as i go out or play out and have a drink or two inside me then of i go again!

me too – I went from 20+ a day when I was in my teens to mostly occasional smoking at weekends… my dad smoked a lot and it didn’t do him any good (he was very unwell in his middle age and passed away some years ago) so I am supposed to know better..

I am actually against the smoking ban as I don’t think its acceptable to limit everyones freedom just because a few people cannot regulate themselves (although I think its inevitable)

I worked in public sector finance for some years and have been told by a number of knowledgeable people that if the tax off cigs and booze was given directly to the NHS instead of being spent on wars and millenium domes, every hospital in the country would be fully equipped and no one would be waiting for operations etc…
August 23, 2006 at 12:31 pm

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doolittle

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I worked in public sector finance for some years and have been told by a number of knowledgeable people that if the tax off cigs and booze was given directly to the NHS instead of being spent on wars and millenium domes, every hospital in the country would be fully equipped and no one would be waiting for operations etc…[/quote]

Scary thought that one really

I also belive that if people have to go outside to have a ciggie this means that a load of Drunken 20somethings will have to stand outside in the cold in bad moods and = FIGHTS

Also i reckon that this will push alot of people into the Freepart scene which means the scum we try to keep away will be invading the free party scene
August 23, 2006 at 12:32 pm

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doolittle

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p.s
hope its ok to post this in here
August 23, 2006 at 12:42 pm

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General Lighting

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I remember years ago reading a Judge Dredd comic where smoking was illegal and so illegal “smokatoriums” were set up…

TBH the scum are already trying to invade the free party scene (like the gang problems in some areas) but what I think is more worrying is that authorities are going to have more ammunition to stop it ; someone is gonna whip up some hysteria that free party people are “funding their events by selling smuggled tobacco to young people” whether this is true or not…..

doolittle wrote:

p.s
hope its ok to post this in here

yep – can’t see a problem with it; these issues need to be discussed…
August 23, 2006 at 10:20 pm

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ashleywhat

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i don’t see how this can even be regulated especially in clubs. you can’t go out to have a fag and I don’t see people going 6+ hours without a smoke. and who’s gonna stop em? will there be smoke marshalls with clipboards monitoring the clubbers? just like laws against drugs this is completely unenforceable
August 23, 2006 at 10:41 pm

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Tank Girl

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I was a smoker for 15 years

(even did the stopping rollies – went on to cigars – ended up on 2 packs of cafe creme plus aday – for 2 years – went back on the fags etc)

and I wanted to stop (for my health etc) and decided I’d have to do it as ‘my choice’ rather than having it imposed upon me in venues / pubs etc as that would just get my back up,
so I stopped around 7 months ago and still doing well raaa :bounce_fl :bounce_g:

however my other half still smokes as many as ever and we don’t go to our local pub anymore as it is totally non-smoking and I am sure he’ll avoid other places if he cant smoke – so I personally think it will affect buisnesses.

But I agree that there may be difficulties imposing it, my local hospital is a ‘no smoking trust’ however everyone ignores this and staff and patients alike still light up. I personally also think in some places i.e pcychiatric wards etc it would be unfair to futher restrict peoples rights despite the health implications.
August 23, 2006 at 10:49 pm

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ashleywhat

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well done tank girl for giving up
I lasted 3 days when i tried. it’s well hard.
that’s the thing, I can’t even make myself stop smoking, nevermind the law. and i thinka lot of people are in the same boat.
not really sure what this new law is hoping to achiev but it will be interesting to see how it turns out
August 23, 2006 at 11:23 pm

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globalloon

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ashleywhat? wrote:

i don’t see how this can even be regulated especially in clubs.

first person to light up gets ‘exited’ :hopeless:

and so it goes on

it can be regulated same way as weed 😥

sweden banned smoking a couple of years ago… according to research, clubs now smell of farts :yakk:
August 23, 2006 at 11:42 pm

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BigAndy

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globalloon wrote:

sweden banned smoking a couple of years ago… according to research, clubs now smell of farts :yakk:

I aint going clubbin in sweden then innit:crazy::yakk::crazy:

Personally i only smoke draw so it makes no difference to me, im outside in the pub garden rain or shine.:groucho:
August 24, 2006 at 12:59 am

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Raj

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seems to be working in scotland now

the clubs all smell a bit odd though:weee:
August 24, 2006 at 2:12 am

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BioTech

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I’m not a smoker so I’m not bothered, but I know that I would be annoyed if I was.

I’m suprised people allow it. If everyone sparked up in a club/pub are they going to throw everyone out or ban them?
August 24, 2006 at 4:42 am

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Raj

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they let them all outside to smoke and then back in again:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy
August 24, 2006 at 7:27 am

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Amelia

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personally i think its rediculous… :rant:
if a law like this can be imposed all over the UK then i’d imagine anything can be particularly with all the other regulations sneaking in now (more so than ever i’d imagine)
I think a mass uprise will be needed in the near future
hmmm… tis probly enevitable actually :crazy_diz

please excuse my spelling… im tired, forgott to sleep :hopeless:
August 24, 2006 at 11:19 am

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General Lighting

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what worries me is that although it hasn’t caused massive economic problems in Scotland and the Republic of Ireland (IE) there has been an impact on smaller venues.

the superclubs and theme pubs will swallow the not insignificant cost of putting in shelters etc; but the smaller venues may find this wipes out a lot of profit and may not have the resources to concentrate more on food sales etc as there are more regulations etc

I think there is a wider picture though; there has been a massive backlash against the “permissiveness” of society from the 1960s to 1990s and I think its the puritan lobby fighting back.

Smoking bans are becoming commonplace worldwide and in places with indoor smoking bans soon they become outdoor smoking bans and also end up with more resources being available to monitor other “licensing issues”

I’ve noticed a lot of “Western” politicians (Blair, Bush, Gordon Brown, David Cameron) are taking a harder line about acceptable lifestyles and anti hedonism – even if they have once had “wild phases” in their lives.
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