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WHY?
I don’t smoke this myself as it makes me severly paranoid……that said I do beleive that I am of the minority. Maybe i’m wrong.
The Govement says “we must make people aware of the dangers of smoking this drug” yes okay I don’t think by any means that its any good for you but what about alchohol or cigararettes?
Surely the only real danger of this is funding yet MORE criminal activity, guns, gangs, prostitution, violence and explotaion?
I’m no criminal I work for a living and I pay tax but every now and again I like to take drugs does this meen in the eyes of society i’m a criminal?
It makes me sick that the goverment is waisting his time, my money and energy on something so utterly pointless.
Do they not see the connection between all the gun crime and stabbings that have been going on recently?
And in actual fact they are the cause of the problem?
It’s fucking ridiculous the whole drugs argument. No-one is strong enough or has enough guts to stand up and argue for legalisation, and if they do they get splattered over the fucking Daily Mail along with an article that doesn’t even discuss the issue with a hint of fairness, and actually completely misses the point.
For example:
Have a read of this:
http://www.septicisle.info/2008/01/most-idiotic-newspaper-in-britain.html
And a good website to vent the anger on the most read yet most ridiculous tabloid in the UK: http://www.mailwatch.co.uk
I think they should make weed class A, be more of a challenge then!:you_crazy
This is why there is no progress, and those of us who live outside the UK are affected in the same manner
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Convention_on_Narcotic_Drugs
if the UK (or EU) legalised too quickly there would be trade sanctions from the US intended to provoke an economic recession, plus the US would doubtless try to cause further destabilisation of the rebel nations economies by other means (including funding “terrorist” groups)
At least that police cheif is stimulating some discussion on the matter! Check out this peice in the times, makes some rather good points i think:
We should stop agonising over Ecstasy. Richard Brunstrom is right – it is remarkably safe
Martin Samuel
This is the story of Mr A, a patient formerly under the addiction centre at St George’s Medical School in London. His name was kept private either for professional reasons or because he cannot remember it. Between the ages of 21 and 30, Mr A is believed to have taken 40,000 Ecstasy pills. This figure is so insane it is actually comical. His intake rose from five pills over each weekend, to a little over 100 each month and, finally, 25 every day, a habit he maintained for four years, no doubt to the awe of his social circle.
Unsurprisingly, he was left with severe short-term memory problems, hallucinations, paranoia and muscle rigidity; which, in the circumstances, is like taking a header from the top of Canary Wharf and getting away with a chipped tooth and a mildly sprained ankle.
Christos Kouimtsidis, who was his consultant psychiatrist, described Mr A as having trouble functioning in everyday life. “He could not remember the time, the day, what was in his supermarket trolley,” he said, which seems a tad churlish considering most of us couldn’t be trusted in the canned goods aisle on much more than Piriton and two slugs of Night Nurse.
So what does this tell us about the killer drug Ecstasy? Well, as killer drugs go, it is a bit of a lightweight. Try taking 25 Sudafed a day for four years and see what happens. Try taking 25 of anything sold for a headache at Boots, for that matter. When the unpopular North Wales police chief Richard Brunstrom claimed Ecstasy to be a “remarkably safe substance” this week, he was predictably shouted down.
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Yet with recent estimates running at 730,000 users in the United Kingdom (2003 figures) taking between 500,000 and two million tablets each weekend, how else would its performance be graded? Since 1994 there have been approximately 400 deaths in which Ecstasy has been a contributory factor. In 2005 alone 8,836 deaths were alcohol-related and roughly 100 deaths each year are attributed to overdoses or adverse reactions to aspirin or paracetamol.
So say there are a ball-park 1.25 million Ecstasy tablets taken each week in Britain. That is 65 million annually and 910 million since 1994, working out as one death every 2,275,000 tablets. “Some users suffer heatstroke, nausea, blurred vision and sweating,” one newspaper told its readers, neglecting to add that by and large the rest have a blinding night out and get up for work on Monday morning with a clearer head than heavy drinkers whose drug of choice, though also given to side-effects such as nausea, blurred vision and sweating, not to mention acts of violence and severe mood swings, is legally approved. Ask any copper the cause of the violence in our city centres on Saturday nights and he won’t say Ecstasy.
“Brunstrom should be made to stand by Siobhan’s grave every week and see how he feels,” said Des Delaney, whose daughter died from toxic reaction to Ecstasy in 2005. The newspaper report on Mr Brunstrom’s comments said that Siobhan took an Ecstasy tablet, but that is not quite true (just as it is so often claimed that a victim was trying the drug for the first time, unlikely in the case of a person taking four or five tablets). In fact, the coroner’s report said Siobhan bought four and consumed one and a half Ecstasy tablets, drinking ten bottles of water and dancing until 5am. It described her reaction as an “extremely rare condition”, and said the time delay in receiving treatment was also a factor, although hospital staff were not blamed.
Getting your take on recreational drug use from grieving parents is like forming a view on the value of insects based on the thoughts of a person whose partner has died from anaphylactic shock caused by a bee or wasp sting (between two and nine people are killed this way each year in Britain, with four in every 1,000 believed susceptible).
And on a ratio basis hardly anyone gets stung by bees. Indeed, a bee sting is a topic of conversation for the rest of your life. “Yeah, I got stung once. Little bastard crawled up my trouser leg and when I reached down to scratch…” So think about it. Statistically, being in a nightclub full of Ecstasy-users may be safer than being stung in your garden in August.
Now I don’t see my views on drugs reflected too often in the mainstream media, so here goes. This is the comedian Bill Hicks quoted in performance at the Laff Stop, Austin, Texas, December 1991. “I don’t do drugs anymore,” he said, “but I’ll tell you something honestly: I had a great time doing drugs. Sorry. Never murdered anyone, never robbed anyone, never raped anyone, never beat anyone, never lost a job, a car, a house, a wife, or kids � laughed my ass off, and went about my day. Sorry.”
And there, in a nutshell, is the experience of most casual drug users in Britain today. We hear a lot about how harmful drugs are, never how harmless. Not a word about how, for most people, they are something you grow out of, as surely as you grow out of small cars with souped-up engines. The Ecstasy users of 1991 are now talking house prices and schools over dinner, just like their parents. So don’t worry, folks. This generation will end up voting Conservative same as the last lot.
It’s a phase. It will pass. Even Mr A knocked it on the head when he turned 30; even a bloke on 25 Es a day worked out he was too old to keep bursting into tears each time one of the little critters didn’t pull through on Animal Hospital.
Mr Brunstrom wants drugs legalised, though, and this is where we must draw the line. Not for reasons of morality but because, back in the days when such things were important, we would never have left our weekend in the hands of the same people who brought us the rotten rail service, failing NHS, useless schools, limp-wristed police force and tinpot incompetent councils. In our experience, the suppliers were, by and large, reliable, organised and provided a very professional service. Let Mr Brunstrom concentrate on getting his name in the newspapers, and leave drugs to the experts.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/martin_samuel/article3128991.ece
well the daily mail only managed to drag up about 8 dead kids over a period of about 20 years of its use. (there were more incidents but even so its a fraction of the users).
if taken wisely it doesn’t actually do any long term damage.
Yes there can be mood swings but how much of this is also amplified by the fact many people use it during their teens and twenties when you are still going through emotional puberty (this is different from physical puberty you reach in your early teens and doesn’t end until your late 20s/30s for many blokes!)
there is an overdose potential but every substance has that (ISTR that Oxford university lose a few students every freshers week due to alcohol poisoning, often these reports are quickly covered up to hide the embarrasment to families)
I was a regular user in the 90s, yet I have recently been able to remember all sorts of complicated computer stuff I was doing at the height of my usage. I have always had a professional job in IT or the financial services since leaving college in 1992, and am in a good state of physical health and appearance for my age.
The only time drugs have slightly fucked up my life is when I have got nicked for them and got a criminal record and have to explain to my family what happened..
tbh i haven’t really noticed a difference from when it was it went from class b to c. i have been arrested more times now then when it was a class b.
:crazy:
sry i thought this thread said recyling canabis… :crazy: … um i don’t smoke canabis so i dunno … i don’t think it has made a diferance to any of my m8s tho tbh … they just go on as normal …
Do you think the govement would loose more money if it where to be legalized though? I meen if they where to tax it would they make less?
I often wonder if the govement itself is the head of the criminal activity?
I often wonder if the govement itself is the head of the criminal activity?
tbh i think it would make them money ..if they actualy seriously considered it …. but i don’t think the do due to the general public opinion … but on the other hand .. i know what you mean about them being head of criminal activity …. my opinion is that the govenment are to stupid to be head of it .. i think they are puppets of it … in certain situations any way .. basicaly the majority are corrupt as fuck and just out for money .. and the criminals will pay to have some one in power on there side ….
they would lose money thats why they haven’t legalised it
And I also wonder what else would suffer if they where to legalize everthing, surely drugs are just a link in a massive lucrative corporate chain?
Would it put people that are not criminals out of a job? Do you reckon its gone so far now that this would happen?
I think they should legalize all drugs and the money made from recreational drugs like pills and coke to help the real addicts, give them clean needles to use etc. If a herion or crack addict has somewhere to go then there not going to rob our houses, which they wouldn’t have to if it wasn’t illeagle in the first place.
And then of course that God awful figure of 50 people dying a year from taking ectasy would be decreased because stuff would be properly made and not mixed with all sorts from under the kitchen sink.
Also another big thing is people being ill advised from these will anti drugs leaflets. Do you know a girl the other day was telling me that she would never take coke because it would put a hole in her nose :laugh_at: :you_crazy Another drug I don’t take because its shit and really expensive. However, I responded well if you could see your liver after that much alchohol you would see the same thing but your liver doesn’t rot just from one drink, same as your nose with coke. I don’t know anyone thats had a hole in there nose. Do you? No one I know is rich enough!
This is really getting to me, I think something should be done. :group_hug But I have not idea how 😥
TBH I very much doubt the “conspiracy theory” that legalising drugs would “put the cops out of a job” would be true – IMO quite the opposite
in the short term there would be a rise in stuff like domestics and other fights as with our binge culture some people would overdo stuff in bad combinations and might not be able to handle things on the comedown or even when they were high. (look at how many youths with pre-existing mental problems blazed weed and started going a bit psycho when it became easier to get in large quantities during the 90s…)
Things might level out eventually (but think about how people still drink to excess and how long alcohol has been legal!) but people would still fight for other reasons anyway
However cops would be freed up to ensure the bad people actually get nicked, and more civillians may be prepared to help cops nick the bad people especially youths who often only hate the cops mostly because they are the enforcers of anti-drugs laws!
This may mean more (non-drug related) crime is actually reported rather than ignored – And even if we ended up in the long term with a chilled out society which did less crime, people would still crash their cars, old grannies would wander off from their sheltered housing and nursing homes, animals would get lost and wander in the roads, there would still be the environment (floods, weather etc) to contend with.
So there would still be plenty enough going pear shaped to keep those in uniform busy..
Clearly we need to spread the word a little more ;p but i think that if the gov are not gonna legalize, then at least decriminalize it. u would have no where near as many criminals, and so it would cost much less financially (granted, if it was decriminalized more people would smoke it, so the cost to the NHS would increase, but i think that cost would be offset by the saving made in the courts and the prisons).
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