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been talking about doing this for a while 🙁 Lot of people about to lose their businesses
Dutch government to ban tourists from cannabis shops – Yahoo! News
Although it might be an annoyance to tourists I don’t think the Dutch are so daft as to wreck their economy – I suspect coffeeshops are only a small part of the nightlife and revenue generation.
TBH some coffeeshops fucked it up for themselves as they were caught using software which falsified their tax returns, worse they were in the areas where Geert Wilders’s party was popular.
Also I would think just like the UK or anywhere else in Europe the bulk of the drugs trade and usage is local anyway…
i wouldn’t wanna go their to smoke weed anyway and even if i did go i wouldn’t have any trouble finding it i just may be turned away if i try to go in a shop big deal!
To be fair if you look at where the regions this is happening are on a map and read the local news (which admittedly isn’t so easy if you don’t understand enough Dutch) its clearly not even the Dutch who are wholly to blame.
gedoogbeleid (tolerance) was started in 1972 long before the Schengen agreement so it wasn’t so easy to travel across Europe – and it was kept going during better economic times in the hope a progressive wing of politicians across the EU would introduce it in their home nations. The EU came close to this in the late 1990s but it never happened.
I’ve managed to read a few local newspapers websites and its clear that NL still has trouble with criminality, drugs-related anti-social behaviour and dealers fighting over turf same as we do in the UK, and coffeshops only add a influx of drugs tourists to all this so NL was having to incur costs from drug users from other EU nations.
During good economic times and when the shops were paying their taxes gedoogbeleid wasn’t seen as a problem but times have changed. And it wasn’t only Wilders’ party but another centre right party (VVD) which wanted the coffeeshops closed as well.
@General Lighting 437342 wrote:
Although it might be an annoyance to tourists I don’t think the Dutch are so daft as to wreck their economy – I suspect coffeeshops are only a small part of the nightlife and revenue generation.
I meant a few individuals not anything on a wider scale just to clarify. Fair few of the shops are just for the tourists. But then such is the way as things progress and change.
This is so bad……So much people will get in to trouble.
The actual laws are that people should be over 18 and either a Dutch citizen (with the national ID card) or have proof that they are a taxpayer in the Netherlands. Given that there is nothing stopping DE, BE or UK decriminalising and that coffeeshops were tolerated on the condition they did not cause an extra burden to NL’s society it doesn’t seem that unfair a law.
The Dutch political system is much fairer than that of the UK, and genuinely gives everyone a voice but here is a reminder that with a consensus-based government which also tolerates an amount of dissent and protest things can still go either way….
that said even if we adopted the Dutch drugs laws without tolerating coffeeshops they would be a vast improvement on those of the UK…
noooo :/
Not as if its impossible to get (or grow) weed here in the UK though?
all this wasn’t just done overnight. There has been nearly a decade of consensus-based debates about this issue including the undoubted impact it would have on the local economy..
A last straw was the coffeeshops fixing their computer software to evade taxes. Some of us support protest when companies in our country do this, so it is not then fair that in other EU nations companies should pay taxes to support public services?
@General Lighting 437466 wrote:
Not as if its impossible to get (or grow) weed here in the UK though?
yea ofcourse.. but there was something nice about walking into a coffeeshop and having the choice of different strains.. then sitting down with a drink having a smoke. Lets hope they are pretty slack with this rule..
@Pike Tom Us 437467 wrote:
yea ofcourse.. but there was something nice about walking into a coffeeshop and having the choice of different strains.. then sitting down with a drink having a smoke. Lets hope they are pretty slack with this rule..
if the Dutch business owners hadn’t been slack with paying their taxes and not got involved in turf wars as well as witwassen (laundering of money) then they wouldn’t have got locked down as much. In fact some parts of the Govt there is trying to license weed production for local consumption!
TBH I expect it would be still possible to get served if you don’t look like an obvious tourist or are working in the area (as you’d have documents for the local tax/national insurance)
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