Party Vibe

@p0ly 457220 wrote:

Heroin is ‘Diamorphine’…. all opiates convert to morphine in your system some faster and some slower so there’s not that much difference except heroin is dirtier and is normally always ready to be banged up or smoked.

high wise i’ve only done morphine oral once so i’m not sure how good it is but in theory it is the top opiate as that’s what it all converts to.

“…In particular, users report an intense rush, an acutetranscendent state of euphoria, that occurs while diacetylmorphine is being metabolized into 6-monoacetylmorphine (6-MAM) and morphine in the brain. Heroin produces more euphoria than other opioids upon injection. One possible explanation is the presence of 6-monoacetylmorphine, a metabolite unique to heroin. While other opioids of recreational use, such as codeine, produce only morphine, heroin also leaves 6-MAM, also a psycho-active metabolite. However, this perception is not supported by the results of clinical studies comparing the physiological and subjective effects of injected heroin and morphine in individuals formerly addicted to opioids; these subjects showed no preference for one drug over the other. Equipotent injected doses had comparable action courses, with no difference in subjects’ self-rated feelings of euphoria, ambition, nervousness, relaxation, drowsiness, or sleepiness.^[18]”

What makes certain opiates better then others is the conversion rate to morphine … di-morphine (afaik) has the highest conversion rate, so is the best opiate (other then morphine as this doesn’t need to convert to it’s self for obvious reasons).

You also have to factor in other things that it will convert to as theese will give other effects … but it’s a rough guid at least as to how stong an opiate is with regards to morphine equivalent .. and morphine is what every dope fiend is craving.

@DaftFader 457278 wrote:

It’s not just about how fast or how slow it converts .. it’s also the weight to weight ratio too.

oh no p0ly never would’ve known that!!!

Oral dosing of Opiates is a lot more mongy IME and i take it you were ill and laying around so bound to just KO. (if they IVed both then still if you’re laying around with little energy you’re still bound to just KO)

@HSB 457304 wrote:

according to that thing I posted they think it might be the 6-monoacetylmorphine, a metabolite unique to heroin rather than just the morphine that makes heroin so mmmmmmmm.

I had liquid morphine once which just sent me to sleep and they injected me with that oxy stuff too.

I’ve heard heroin addicts say that IV’d morphine is the one, but it’s almost impossable to get (esspecialy if you’re a smack head and the NHS know).

@DaftFader 457315 wrote:

You have to factor in that street heroin is cut to shit and probably has other things in it what might not have such a mongy effect as pure diamorphine, (I’ve tried pretty pure, white heroin years ago and that put me on my arse, I was litteraly melting through the floor not able to move). The cut to fuck stuff has something else mixed in with it (Chloroquine iirc is one major cutting agent) and theese have there own effects.

They even tested caffine in H as it helps the gear vap at a lower temp (also keeps the taker awake able to use more gear i guess too)

sniffing oxynorms and oxycontin is a lot more buzzy than eating it IMO….