Party Vibe

@Portsmouth-Ritch 488038 wrote:

The longer MDMA is illegal, the longer we are stuck in the dark ages. Fucking perfetic why is it even illegal when alcohol is far more dangerous?? Its more a matter of control rather than ‘safety’.

I agree that it is more social control and due to US economic domination, but there is also increasing control on alcohol use (I get carded for age ID more at 40 than I did at 16!!).

Low income coastal areas get slightly more tolerance of both booze and party drugs as the night time economy is often the only tax revenue generator – but you don’t have to go too much further inland before zero tolerance is universal – or if there are too many negative incidents associated with nightlife. My own town has had loads of townie venues locked off as well as all the raver friendly ones

Also unlike those in Northern Europe and Eastern nations the British lack a certain amount of self control.

If pills become legal or even easily available, folk will combine them with drink just as they did mephedrone and that fills up the emergency departments. In the late 1990s / early 2000s there was also a rise in high quality pills at a much lower price. young people here were dropping like flies and in many ways the dead ones were lucky. They die only once, the survivors still have various mental and physical health problems.

of course the same pills turned up in NL, it is only across the water but there the damage was a bit less, due to both a culture of testing and people having much more disciplined and organised lives.

This is also why pill use can often be overlooked in Islamic countries, as whatever your views are about religion (and I am not a great fan myself in spite of supposedly being a Catholic), concepts of guilt, shame and duty to society meant that drugs are consumed discreetly and its not bragged about or made obvious to non users, so they usually only see the good side of their use. Whilst modern day Dutch folk aren’t as religious, they are certainly very focused and hard working whether it is their normal work or hobbies/fun….

high pill prices were used back in the day (as I guess you remember too) partly to offset the risks and to limit overuse (the old Tories would send a middle class uni kid to high security prison for all of 5 years and destroy his/her life in the process). but it didn’t stop everyone, I lost someone close to me this way. Other friends turned to crime to fund their party drugs, got busted and got a reputation and criminal record for dishonesty which also fuck up your life when you are older.

@Mezz 488059 wrote:

Ooo almost forgot a biggy on the knock on effects….

Everyone knows Alcohol makes people more competitive, would ambition, and with it national productivity and consumer spending fall if more people took Es instead of Alcohol ??? If people are all loved up, happy & content, will that make them apathetic ? Would even population growth slow down, and with less young people to pay for those retiring and living longer combined with a slowing economy bring down the country ??? Maybe their is a darkside lol

I don’t think pills have damaged the ambition and competitiveness of other North European nations nor their economic growth. The use of these drugs, even the after effects when sober, increase appreciation of music, arts and other creative endeavours. if used sensibly they make it possible to cope with the more boring aspects of a day job. People who want to make music and art tend to purchase the equipment/materials for doing so and thats valuable revenue to business and brings in VAT for the Government.

I think some crimes will still happen, DUI and it would make sense for the feds to keep a watch on domestic violence and other violent incidents midweek when comedowns set in. But if drugs are legal or decriminalised, all these things will still be crimes anyway the cops will have the resources to deal with them, and crime reporters will still need stuff to report about.Also attitudes to cops and authorities may well change, so violent bulliies will be nicked far quicker than before and there will be enough space to make sure they get long enough stretches to make violence crime really not worth doing.

Like you said it wouldn’t stop midweek drinking either – a lot of the older heads in my old town were real ale fans. This I found amusing, until I moved here and realised they were being smart, it really is more pleasant (both the drinks and the pubs where this is served).

as for the Green Party, I know a lot of their campaigners/activists and broadly support their wider policies. I would class the campaigners and their freinds as friendly acquaintances and they are right on hippy types, but have alwaysd got the impression that the current lot are supportive of decrim but not of drug use which they think is unhealthy. A lot of them have dabbled in the EDM scene and some have occasionally taken drugs but its not something they brag about.

Most of them probably think deep down I am a overgrown chav who might have a few more brain cells than the average for my estate and whose heart is in the right place, but having checked up on these folks backgrounds I don’t blame them for judging me, the bulk of them went to uni, studied and worked hard and do the same today (usually complex stuff about permaculture and growing things that I don’t understand a great deal of TBH). I think a lot of their support is indeed to get the “yoof” vote –

In power I don’t think they would u turn but might struggle under the backlash from the right and the USA unless they had a plan to deal with this, and they still wouldn’t openly support drug use especialy those what are more into new age stuff.