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October 2, 2012 at 11:23 pm

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p0ly

@p0ly

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So last year I made a pretty controversial thread on Heroin where I got a lot of people telling me not to do it. Now I don’t think this was bad advice but I do think it’s bad that people seem to have this big issue with Heroin yet I can honestly say Cannabis, Mephedrone (brief time, got out quick due to depression which I’ve never suffered which lasted 4-5 weeks, never suffered it since) and Ketamine (ESPECIALLY) were much darker and more evil substances to my mind. If people are saying a straight DO NOT TAKE HEROIN no other information than it’ll fuck you up or whatever then they should say the same for Ketamine and the rest IMO.

Ketamine ravages your body and mind worse than Heroin IMO. I know some people get fully addicted to Opiates and things go wrong and then you really have fucked it but I was aware of this and never let it get to that. Also stimulants seem to turn people into much nastier evil aggressive people IMO, I’ve seen and am seeing a lot of people falling into a deep spiral and mental health issues of chronic Mephedrone abuse in my town due to the place being flooded with the shit… I sort of feel bad as one of the biggest dealers I know (guy who had a heart attack, I made a thread about and who continues to take it and isn’t the same guy I knew 7 years ago) I gave it to him for the first time when it was legal.. (He isn’t my friend anymore due to being a psycho and I do not want to be associated with his fucked up lifestyle). Going back to stims vs opiates I find opiates generally tend to make the chronic addicts thieves and liars rather than aggressive angry people..
If you do make it out of any of the addictions and get clean at least your body isn’t ruined on Opiates (not saying it can’t be as some people use in stupid filthy ways) as like stimulants and ketamine.

Right now I have no desire to take the stuff and haven’t for quite some time. Would I ever take it again? Not really fussed, don’t like being around the stuff because it just tells your mind to do it and the stuff makes me lazy and unproductive.

Worst thing about Opiates over other drugs though are you really cannot push them in combinations with other depressants or you will die from being unable to breathe.

I was taking it regularly for 1.5 years by the way… Spent 4 weeks completely mashed on it before and was able to go through withdrawals pretty easily without feeling a bit shit for 3-4 days (note as well I could walk 5 mins round the corner and buy a ten bag any hour of the day). Just have to know not to fall completely reliant on this shit and be very careful if you ever drink Alcohol or take other potent downers with it. Another thing is the high can be very deceiving in this OD sense, sometimes you get this super nice head feeling where you get high and feel nicer and nicer, other times you don’t get that so you keep dosing and then you end up feeling sick for 6-8 hours! These times where you are not getting the feeling are the dangerous ones as you’ll overdo it.

Also if you ever do plan to take it just smoke it, snorting is better but it 100 times more dangerous if you aren’t being careful.

Anyway here’s to a Smack free lifestyle, it wasn’t that bad and I do not feel damaged unlike how cannabis and ketamine have made me feel through those phases.

I’ve pretty much tried all the classes of drugs there are to try and am overly experienced in them all so now I would prefer to pass on knowledge from my experiences to help people and have no real desire to pursue any other drugs to any unhealthy or frequent use at all. I believe a good healthy psychedelic once or twice a year is definitely beneficial for the brain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNJSRBIm3NE

Never thought you’d make me perspire.
Never thought I’d do you the same.
Never thought I’d fill with desire.
Never thought I’d feel so ashamed.
Me and the dragon can chase all the pain away.
So before I end my day, remember..
My sweet prince, you are the one
My sweet prince
you are the one

Never thought I’d have to retire
Never thought I’d have to abstain
Never thought all this could back fire
Close up the hole in my vain

Me and my valuable friend
can fix all the pain away
So before I end my day
remember
My sweet prince
you are the one
My sweet prince
you are the one
you are the one
you are the one
you are the one
you are the one

Never thought I’d get any higher
Never thought you’d fuck with my brain
Never thought all this could expire
Never thought you’d go break the chain

Me and you baby,
still flush all the pain away
So before I end my day
remember
My sweet prince
you are the one
My sweet prince
you are the one
you are the one
you are the one
you are the one
you are the one
you are the one
you are the one
you are the one
you are the one
My sweet prince
My sweet prince
October 2, 2012 at 11:27 pm

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p0ly

@p0ly

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYEC4TZsy-Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffr0opfm6I4
October 3, 2012 at 1:02 am

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know_hope

@know_hope

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBVkk5rW0lw
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October 3, 2012 at 3:28 pm

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Pat McDonald

@pat-mcdonald

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“…There’s always some bastard
Will sell you some shit
Rather than tell you
The truth.”
October 3, 2012 at 4:16 pm

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p0ly

@p0ly

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The way people are towards drugs made me try Heroin… No sense whatsoever… DON’T DO HEROIN OR CRACK, THEY’RE SUPER BAD…

Yet people openly sniff powdered coke, mephe, ket, mdma etc and they are filthy substances. Though the worst is Weed… man, I swear there’s a ‘SECRET CHURCH OF WEED’ I’m not aware of and people worship it and will die to defend it even though the only drug addicts I know that’re still going strong for a good 10+ years on a drug is cannabis and they’re the biggest wasters of them all.

Least the people on drone actually leave the house and socialise with other people and get stuff done…

Everything can be used in moderation, just giving what I’ve seen and experienced.
October 3, 2012 at 5:45 pm

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The Psyentist

@the-psyentist

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MDMA is NOT a filthy substance!

Im not going to defend the rest tho
October 3, 2012 at 8:27 pm

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p0ly

@p0ly

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@Elektrik Muffin 498272 wrote:

MDMA is NOT a filthy substance!

Im not going to defend the rest tho

:laugh_at:

If you used Heroin instead of MDMA when you used MDMA then I can say as 100% fact that MDMA is filthy for your body and mind in comparison.

I remember when I used to take MDMA… The lows… oh the lows… The cravings were more horrible than any heroin i had too… for example if i didn’t get MDMA or other people were on it I’d be actually moody and sulky and not happy…! dafaaq… That stuff rinses your happy chemicals to fuck!

But yeah I have never done it much since i was younger. done it 3 times in about 4 years.
October 3, 2012 at 10:06 pm

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wickle

@wickle

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I’ve lost friends to od’s, 1 this year. Any opiate is a dangerous game. I don’t know anyone who stays recreational for long. It will get you in the end, trust!
October 3, 2012 at 10:12 pm

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p0ly

@p0ly

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@TekZandwich 498322 wrote:

I’ve lost friends to od’s, 1 this year. Any opiate is a dangerous game. I don’t know anyone who stays recreational for long. It will get you in the end, trust!

Don’t IV, don’t sniff and do not mix. It’s not possible to OD if you smoke, you will fall asleep before. If you’re hedonistic then yes this is not a good thing to be taking.. and like i said the high can deceive you as it changes at times.

Overdose Smoking Heroin?
I go to some length in my book Heroin User’s Handbook to show that the casual user is best to ingest heroin by smoking. One of the main reasons that I believe this is that it is very hard to overdose by smoking heroin. But it can be done. I knew a man who died as a result of smoking heroin. His death was due in large part to the fact that he was drunk when he smoked the heroin. Had he not been drunk, he probably would not have died. Just the same, had he not smoked the heroin, he probably would not have died.
Don’t Mix Heroin and Alcohol
Before I go on, remember the number one rule of heroin use: Never, never, never, never, never use heroin with alcohol. That means, don’t drink and then use heroin. Don’t use heroin and then drink. Don’t drink and use heroin at the same time. If you die, you can’t read Heroin Helper, and that just isn’t acceptable. (You might be able to come up with some other reasons not to die; so don’t mix heroin and alcohol.)
“Snorting” Isn’t As Safe As You Think
People think snorting is safe, but it isn’t. The problem is that it takes a long time to feel what you have snorted. So you can snort way too much before you even begin to feel the effects. The same goes for IM and SC injection. It’s like setting a time bomb.
IV Injection Has Different Problems
IV injection is dangerous for another reason: you feel what you are doing quickly, but you can do an enormous amount all at once. I suppose this wouldn’t be a problem if you felt it right as you did it. But there is a 15 – 60 second delay – more than enough time to ingest enough to die.
Why Smoking Is Safe…
Smoking is the safest way to ingest heroin because you are always “up to date” with the effect of the drug. By smoking, you ingest a small amount of heroin. You feel the effect within 10 – 20 seconds (yes, faster than an IV injection). So under most circumstances, you will pass out before you can smoke enough to overdose.
…But Not Completely Safe
There are other ways to die from using heroin, however. You could smoke a lot, pass out, vomit, and suffocate. Or you could pass out in the wrong place and be murdered. Or you could pass out, knock over the candle you were using, start a fire, and burn up.
Be Careful
There are no guarantees. Heroin is not a particularly dangerous drug. It isn’t Rice Krispies®, and even Rice Krispies® can kill you. By using smoking as an ingestion method and always using with someone else, you greatly reduce your risks.
October 4, 2012 at 2:49 am

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You could smoke a lot, pass out in the wrong place and be murdered.

:laugh_at:
October 4, 2012 at 3:20 am

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p0ly

@p0ly

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@DaftFader 498393 wrote:

:laugh_at:

Yeah I found that pretty jokes too 😀
October 4, 2012 at 4:08 am

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p0ly

@p0ly

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There are facts about heroin that are so contrary to common knowledge that most people would simply not believe them, regardless of how well documented.
It is common knowledge that all people who use heroin become junkies.
All junkies are slow-moving, dim-witted, bottom feeders.
Heroin is an extremely potent drug that drug addicts use as a last resort when none of the other drugs will do it for them.
The millions of controlled heroin users cannot dispel such knowledge. Nor are the countless examples of highly successful junkies of any help. And you can forget the endless pharmacological studies that show that heroin’s effects on the body are fairly minor and its effect on the brain so subtle compared to cannabis, that most regular pot smokers can’t even feel it.

From that same Heroin site…

Weed gave me major anxiety issues when i used to abuse it.

tbh the aftereffects of smack if it’s not just me growing as a person or whatever is the opposite of anxiety, i really am not anxious much at all.

the worst and hardest part of trying to kick all substance will be the k heads which aren’t going away and i know a lot of them… 10 pound a dose for p0ly… 15-20 pound for a good dose. (that’s sober then doing k) and i’ll feel like shit for awhile after :/ yet my brain says DO IT whenever i’m near the crap.

fuckin’ ket man!!

but yeah tbh i’m still just annoyed at the stigma and i know it’s never gonna change as the washing has been done if you get what i mean 😛
October 10, 2012 at 1:08 pm

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General Lighting

@general-lighting

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its not the drugs themselves what are fucking up people but the drugs culture. selfish people what don’t give a shit about themselves, their friends and family and wider society as a whole are a risk and burden no matter what drugs they do, even the so-called “nice” drugs. NL has the right idea by having only two simpler classifications instead of 3 complex ones but if that was transferred to Britain it might result only in more problematic use due to our different cultures, especially as we won’t pay the taxes needed for youth services and value kids/young people less.
October 10, 2012 at 1:17 pm

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p0ly

@p0ly

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@General Lighting 499463 wrote:

its not the drugs themselves what are fucking up people but the drugs culture. selfish people what don’t give a shit about themselves, their friends and family and wider society as a whole are a risk and burden no matter what drugs they do, even the so-called “nice” drugs. NL has the right idea by having only two simpler classifications instead of 3 complex ones but if that was transferred to Britain it might result only in more problematic use due to our different cultures, especially as we won’t pay the taxes needed for youth services and value kids/young people less.

BLOWEN!
October 10, 2012 at 7:16 pm

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Tank Girl

@tank-girl

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I think the difficulty with comparing heroin (opiates) with other substances is one can get physically addicted to it, (not even taking into consideration the psychological effects) and this is usually the downfall –

(ie – this is how a lot of people I know who’s main substance of choice was crack – started to use H to come down and ended up with a nice little (or large) habit.)

When people are physically addicted and they dont want to get ill, this is where they can then loose their personality and do shit that they wouldnt have thought they would have done before.

but this also happens to tons of people who are addicted to alcohol,

I think I said this in your previous post p0ly – it is usually the individual – not the substance – if people are using to the level of addiction then their substance use is usually a symptom of their distress not necessarily the cause. And they are usually using it to self medicate their distress,

And the main substance that causes most criminal behaviour, nhs treatment, etc is for alcohol related things – if I am not wrong and this is not just for those physically addicted. And then there is tobacco……. but because these are legal – it rarely makes the headlines as it wouldnt sell ….

EDIT- just seen GL’s post – he said it much more succinct!!
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