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@Mezz 533814 wrote:

Not really bothered about any of those chems being controlled, but I do recon the rest of the EU will follow suit soon enough, policy generally seems to be ‘If we cant tax the shit out of it then you cant have it’

The currently legal RC’s are taxed! The companies selling them do have proper registration details even if they aren’t widely advertised (easy enough to trace them if you know how) and have to pay corporation tax and VAT if they go above the threshold, and as HMRC and Border Force are essentially the same bunch the only way the companies can stay in business if if they behave, and those running them have admitted exactly that when quizzed by the UK Press about how it is all still alllowed.

I suspect what annoys the Germans is more that all these new drugs are often purchased from the UK, as their young folk know English and the UK vendors will deal in Euros. So all the money goes out of their country, whereas Hans the local drugsdealer still has to fill up his Audi with a few euros worth of petrol (or even ride his bicycle, and the Germans will easily spend €1000 on a bike particularly in some garish 1980s style colour) and probably meet people in beer halls and cafés, thus countributing more to the local economy.

@Mezz 533834 wrote:

Off topic I know, but by ‘Irish Civil War’ are you referring to the yanks of Irish origin funding the IRA ?[/quote]

yes, thats the one and it was well into the 1990s before President Clinton was sheepishly forced to admit his own citizens were funding terrorism in a supposedly friendly nation. Mind you the Yanks kept a stronghold in Northern Europe especially Germany well into the 1990s just to make sure that nothing too radical happened there, in fact I’ve just looked and there are still US soldiers there although they are supposedly standing down and vacating in 2015

List of United States Army installations in Germany – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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On the subject of taxation, yes RCs are taxed but not as they should be when you consider their actual use ( like alcohol & tobacco ), and if older safer drugs like MDMA were legalised the RC market would die overnight, MDMA for example could be taxed at 95% and if regulated & quality controlled still be cheaper than street prices, and still be a cheaper night out than drinking, a win for clubbers, a win for the taxman, a win for the police, pretty much a win for everyone except the alcohol industry.

this is basically what already happens to some extent in NL. OK the use of pills is not openly encouraged and nor are they taxed but there is clearly enough of a blind eye turned because it keeps the music venues and horecas going even during times of economic depression. And as you cannot do pills every weekend or you will eventually get unwell, people will still drink too, Heineken and Grolsch aren’t exactly bankrupt 😉

@Mezz 533854 wrote:

I agree there would always be drinkers even if MDMA & other drugs were legalised, but the alcohol industry would lose it’s stranglehold, a stranglehold it has spent vast amounts of money maintaining through donations to political parties, advertising it’s own crap & supporting demonisation of other drugs.

The double standards of the alcohol industry and the stranglehold it has on popular culture seem to only exist in the UK. Elsewhere in Northern Europe (even though they enjoy a drink as much as we do) things are different.

Its not easy to explain or unearth unless you not just start learning the languages, but start delving into ancient history of Germanic tribes going back to the fall of the Roman Empire all the way to modern globalised migration patterns of the 20th and 21st century, but it really does seem that the other Northern European peoples are far more sensible about getting pissed or high than we are in the UK.