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Has anyone seen the drug consumption rooms in Brighton, you can inject with clean needles and supervision
Could this work in Manchester – Drug rates are high here
yeah ive heard of those, the gov legalizes it for prescrption only and to get it you just go to some sort of walk in clinic, inject and leave. proabably would work.
They can and do work anywhere in the world, but at least in the UK perceived to be expensive to set up and administer in the short term and are seen here as “giving in” to addicts/criminals or normalising hard drugs use. Even the faith group based drugs help centres that currently exist in many countries have difficulty getting funding these days and are often viewed as “too tolerant do gooders” by non users in the UK unless (or even if) they adopt an abstinence based approach. European research shows that the overall effect of them is potentially positive in healthcare terms but the evidence is insufficient to show definite positive changes (probably due to the relatively small number of such places).
At the same time hard drugs use and addiction rates are falling anyway across Europe, not so much because prohibition is working as such but because young people are now far more aware of both the good and bad effects of drugs.
IMO we should have set the things up during the better economic times of the 90s like the rest of mainland Europe did (the costs could easily have been covered by taxes on the night time economy and money confiscated from hard drugs dealers) and given that Brighton and Hove tolerates more nightlife (and thus the attendant drug culture) than many areas of the UK it makes perfect sense to set them up. I’ve read at least a bit of the big European report and they are not free for all places by any means but act as a valuable surveillance resource for both health authorities and law enforcement to reduce the bad impacts of hard drugs.
BBC News – Consumption rooms for legal drug-taking around the world
It’s a great idea and allows addicts to lead a slightly more normal life – if they haven’t got to go selling their bodies/robbing etc to feed their habit, then logically they are going to be more able to get their life back on track, and more likely to get off the gear. Also, because it’s not gonna be cut with any dodgy shit, it’ll bring the OD and death rates right down.
In the long run, these places are probably better than rehab centres, might even replace them one day…
This sounds like a good idea really. In a local area with heavy drug use i expect crime rate would go down, gives addicts a clean, safe place to shoot up (not in some dirty alleyway or corner on the street) and as G-Tek said, allows addicts to live to as close to a normal life as possible.
@season. 543733 wrote:
This sounds like a good idea really. In a local area with heavy drug use i expect crime rate would go down.
Definitely man, I reckon the robbery and burglary statistics would drop by about 80%. Unfortunately they won’t disappear completely cos some people are just thieving little cunts!
@MC G-Tek 543745 wrote:
Definitely man, I reckon the robbery and burglary statistics would drop by about 80%. Unfortunately they won’t disappear completely cos some people are just thieving little cunts!
Yeah for sure. Course it depends on the area, but i think quite a lot of robberies can be linked with drug addiction. And yep, some people are just thieving little pikey’s unfortunately!!
Matey got 2 of his Pioneer 800s mkII’s and 1x Numark DXM06 Mixer stolen from a house party the other day. Absolute cunts who steal equipment from dj’s. He’s the main dj in a fairly active rig as well so it just postpones party’s for his system which sucks so much 🙁
Yeah it’s been on the cards for awhile. it’s a off shoot of the RIOT program where you get two hit of diamorphine a day. If I was still using I would be in there all the time LOL. I was always trying to find a quiet area to have a hit.
Great idea.
@season. 543769 wrote:
Yeah for sure. Course it depends on the area, but i think quite a lot of robberies can be linked with drug addiction. And yep, some people are just thieving little pikey’s unfortunately!!
Matey got 2 of his Pioneer 800s mkII’s and 1x Numark DXM06 Mixer stolen from a house party the other day. Absolute cunts who steal equipment from dj’s. He’s the main dj in a fairly active rig as well so it just postpones party’s for his system which sucks so much 🙁
That’s harsh man, hope he gets em back, but I reckon it’s unlikely.
@MC G-Tek 543778 wrote:
That’s harsh man, hope he gets em back, but I reckon it’s unlikely.
Init, feel well sorry for him as well. Doubt he’ll get em’ back tbh as it’s been almost a week
@season. 543769 wrote:
Yeah for sure. Course it depends on the area, but i think quite a lot of robberies can be linked with drug addiction. And yep, some people are just thieving little pikey’s unfortunately!!
Matey got 2 of his Pioneer 800s mkII’s and 1x Numark DXM06 Mixer stolen from a house party the other day. Absolute cunts who steal equipment from dj’s. He’s the main dj in a fairly active rig as well so it just postpones party’s for his system which sucks so much 🙁
in our area there aren’t as many hard drug addicts as you think (as in physically addicted people who will get very ill if they don’t get their drugs), and there is a very smart guy called Chip Somers who runs a world famous rehab which has proven its worth even though its abstinence based.
The people I see in the papers going through the courts for nicking stuff to fund their habits are often older than me, tbf younger people who get into these drugs either sort themselves out or end up OD’ing or topping themselves before they reach 30 (seems to be one of the other). Most folk I know these days either don’t touch drugs and even only drink in moderation and think stuff like heroin is for the middle aged and old and there is nothing cool about this. what you sadly do get on the party scene is a lot of sketchy, selfish little shits who will nick anything what isn’t nailed down and will sell it not for heroin or coke but for mephedrone, ketamine or even MDMA. There’s also a few wannabe plastic gangsters who smoke a bit of weed and nick stuff or rob people to fund a “habit” but its really a territorial marking thing and proving their power over others rather than genuine addiction / mental health issues, even if the play the addict/mental health problems card in Courttrooms.
Tolerance rooms won’t help these muppets, what they need is to sit in Highpoint South for a good few months (albeit in a better régime more suited to rehabilitation as well as punishment).
@General Lighting 543724 wrote:
IMO we should have set the things up during the better economic times of the 90s
I don’t know what you mean… the economy is doing great. If you’re a multinational bankster, of course.
BBC News – Lloyds Banking Group first quarter profits rise to £2bn
I understand that many people are having poverty planned and enforced on them, but don’t you believe that everybody is having a hard time economically. That is bullshit put out as a smokescreen. “Austerity” is all about soaking up excess cash and making out there isn’t enough to go round.
What is lacking is political will to invest and a demand from the money men that everything is brought under corporate direction.
I understand that “shooting galleries” are set up for a certain class of people who need privacy to indulge their drug habits… but if you’re below inspector, barrister or magistrate rank, you don’t get an invite. 🙂
the tolerance zones via certain private doctors in Harley street W1 especially existed before both of us were born but plans to extend them to normal folk via the NHS were bitterly resisted and/or scuppered via USA intervention. (which was also used to stop the other North European countries going to full decrim back then and to add psychedelics and less harmful stimulants to the harder controls list in the “swinging 60s”
Though it wasn’t the case the drug culture of that era was totally harmless, a lot of my older friends who are into prog rock were around in those days and have discussed truthfully what went on, as they are now respectable dads and grandads who have done a lot of good for our country and can talk about things frankly. (Many lost good friends just as our generation did, due to lack of honesty and drugs education, which is why there is a certain amount of respect for this website from perhaps “unlikely” sources. 😉 )
The difference though was in the 90s the economic boom, manufactured or not made the average person of that era less judgemental of drug addicts (especially as there was still a larger entertaintment industry in the UK which meant they were bringing in a fair bit money themselves) and more likely to overlook their own tax money being spent on such a venture. Which is exactly what all the other nations did back then if you look at the big EU report.
When people are happy and seemingly well off they do not care two shits what their own neighbour gets up too, what colour they are, what drugs they take etc, which is why even people half our age still idolise much of 1990s culture. And to some extent political will in Europe still does come from the people, I don’t think its a coincidence that Brighton and Hove is first to trial this because its still a relatively affluent middle class left wing / green area (though more divided than the Greens choose to admit). I hope they manage to get something positive out of it and its not fucked up by Britain’s binge culture.
An article about a successful consumption room in Denmark, though I think it is missing Ø in several parts. The Guardian websites, though left wing and multicultural and internationally focused, really seems to struggle with Ø (or for that matter any “foreign” characters in spite of computers and websites being able to handle these for over a decade…)
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