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  • cuz big tobacco didn’t corner the market very well and then it blew up and now they are sitting on the sidelines and can’t figure out how to best get a slice of the pie other than by reducing the size of the pie and forcing people into cigs

    Forcing them from one habit to another. They are still addicted to and using nicotine just without burning anything. Fucking smoking 2.0. My parent’s will go along with e-cigs because everyone does it cps that’s just becaise. End of.

    When I mentioned David Nutt wanting to synthesize his synthetic alcohol, that could be used exactly the same as alcohol, that wouldn’t poison you,etc……, AND ALSO have an antidote that would sober you up so you could go out get pissed , not die, take a pill to sober up and go home right and also not murder your liver.

    Their response , “Well what’s the poit of that, I don’t see the point/……..” But then they said something interesting. They (or at the the braindead arsehole did) said why should people be forced to give up drink and to use something else that might be dangerous, why don’t they just leave drink alone. He sounded incredibly like the drinks industry, what they seemed most concerned about was alcohol actually being banned and replaced, not the synthetic alcohol.

    USA has always been like that and was doing it decades ago; often claimed as “freedom”. A couple of years ago I downloaded this film in Dutch about the pirate broadcasters who used ships. Partly out of curiosity as I can now understand the language which I couldn’t 30 years ago, but I also wondered why many left wing European politicians did not like these pirates when [other than in the UK] they were often perfectly happy to license “youth radio stations” with the same music. The film was from 1969/1970.

    On listening to recordings of a Dutch language pirate radio station; it soon became apparent that entire programmes were sponsored by American cigarette companies!

    Mick Jagger mocks this in the lyics of “I can’t get no Satisfaction” so it was common enough on English speaking radio in 1965; but I don’t remember ever hearing cigarettes being advertised on UK radio in the 1970s (only for cigars, but these didn’t appeal to British youth). It appears cigarette adverts were also banned in NL (might have been some early
    pan-European idea, like much safety related legislation) and taxes in NL were put up loads on manufactured cigarettes; which is (as well as tolerance of other “smoking mixtures”) why the Dutch tend to roll their own.

    Even in the 1970s the concept of a foreign cigarette company openly sponsoring a programe on a radio station for youngsters would have horrified legislators across Europe (there were and still are stricter rules about sponsoring broadcasting) – some American companies would of course have tried to “disrupt” things by funding the pirate broadcasts. (by the late 1970s most of the pirates had legal stations, but tobacco ads remained verboden; the USA bought the Dutch tobacco companies instead).

    You can AFAIK put any suitable chemical into a vaporiser; it is not “locked” to any one brand of nicotine + flavouring (or whatever goes into the things), making all the money, time and effort invested in cigarette branding irrelevant. Hardly surprising the USA don’t like this. Everywhere else in the world just wants the nicotine and gets on with it 😉

    @General Lighting 599852 wrote:

    You can AFAIK put any suitable chemical into a vaporiser; it is not “locked” to any one brand of nicotine + flavouring (or whatever goes into the things), making all the money, time and effort invested in cigarette branding irrelevant. Hardly surprising the USA don’t like this. Everywhere else in the world just wants the nicotine and gets on with it 😉

    you are correct on that AFAIK, which makes it so the e-cig and tobacco game is following the trend in America towards craft beer and microbrews, anyone with the inclination and know how can brew e-cig liquids which splits the pie up so that its no longer just big tobacco companies and I must say even compared to 5 or 7 years ago I see less young people smoking cigs and alot of this is replaced with E-cigs

    Also, you could mix in illegal substances with e-liquid too. Most notably meth and weed (although weed is somewhat legal in most areas now. thank fuck!) Of course, this can be countered with, ‘well people can buy tobacco and make cigarettes that can include weed too.’

    Its all just mindless propoganda to stop people from smoking from one source, and stick with a heavily toxic ‘cancer stick’ made by big ‘tobacco’ companies.

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