basically, i’m in college doing a graphics course on my 1st year. the course was not what i expected, we do fuck they said we would, and i’m learning nothing at all, although it is relatively easy. because of this i keep missing lessons and go and for a smoke or stay at home in bed all day as i cant be arsed to ped for 45 mins each morning in the freezing cold. i’ve now fallen behind in my work and attendance.
i now have a choice, i can either stay on for the rest of this year and then another, work hard, go to all lessons and but be bored and unmotivated. or i could leave now and try to get a job in the real world.
i just don’t know what to do, do i need these grades? if i leave will i regret it later? is it hard to work your way up the job ‘ladder’? i don’t even know what type of job i want, how i’m going to get it or if ill be good enough? i also don’t want to be stuck doing the same crap job all my life, i always look at ppl doing menial tasks during the prime of their life and think i don’t want to be like that. i don’t want to be stuck doing the same low paid shit all my life, but then, if i leave now, is that what will happen to me?
i know a lot of you have been thru a lot harder shit, this ^ ^ may sound pathetic to you guys, but for me, i’ve never had to make any decisions that could change the rest of my life. ever. im too used to being in school were your spoon fed everything and don’t have to think very far ahead. thats why im asking you ppl for advice. cheers
if you carry on in further education you need to be self motivated as, as you say no-one is there anymore making sure you get your work done, if you really can’t become self motivated to do this I don’t think its worth you wasting your time trying to do a course.
It’s crap that you are expected to know what you want to do with your life when you are so young, I’ve found that once people have left college, uni etc and been out in the ‘real world’ and working for a while then they start to find directions they want to go. so perhaps you should go out get some money while you figure out what you wanna do or just try and throw yourself into your course and get the most out of that?
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TBH I would no longer suggest any arts or design course if you want something leading to a paying career – the sad reality that an decreasing amount of work is competed for by a large number of established companies who do not let in new entrants unless they work for free for a couple of years.
worse still design trends have been changed to de-skill a lot of the process, the increasing use of “office” software means people do their own design and do not commission expensive external work apart from perhaps a one-off job to design a logo etc…Take a look at a few corporate logos and other material and you will see!
Much of the remaining design work is outsourced to Asian countries where its done in half the time for half the price. My own employers recently shut down their design unit and put the in-house designers on “normal” business tasks like dealing with paperwork etc..
If you want education to increase your earning potential (and TBH thats the only real reason for it – anything else you can teach yourself!) I’d suggest transferring to a City and Guilds course for the construction industry – these jobs can’t be outsourced elsewhere – perhaps go for electrical installation/contracting or plumbing – people always need sparkies and plumbers and this work can’t be outsourced as the job has to stay with the building 🙂 Also you can earn at the same time as an apprentice (be careful of stitch ups and bosses stuck in the 1950s though…)
What General Lighting has said is the best advice I had to offer. RE: getting a trade with city and guilds.
So much emphasis is placed on going through the education motions and becoming an academic (which to be brutally honest, often doesn’t lead to much) but nobody at school tells you about, or directs you towards a trade.
I wish I’d known that now because I wouldn’t have done the whole A level & College thing… which to be honest was the wrong period of my life to be doing such things because I ended up messing it up due to lack of enthusiasm for what I was learning just like yourself. I scraped through my A levels because I hardly turned up or put any effort in and my college courses where the same as yours: Easy with none of the content that i thought they’d have. In the end I let the two courses that I took up just slip away as I got bored of them and didn’t feel they were giving me what I wanted.
If you know exactly what job you want and it’s achievable then put all your eneregy in to that and study hard. Otherwise you can have a good career and a safe job by learning a trade.
Hope that’s helpful.
They’re right you know Monkey. I’m 22 and am enrolling for a plumbing apprentice cos although I enjoy (though lately has been real shit) the job I studied in, it’s never going to pay any bills. You have to think about earning potential AND you’re future.
Most construction qualifications lead to a minimum 20K per annum after 2 – 4 years training.After a while if you didn’t enjoy it, well it’s something you can always rely on if times ever boceom hard.
Speak to Connections and do some research in the industries you think you’d enjoy being involved in. That sould set you off.
cheers for the advice, my parents always say go into a trade, tho i never took any notice. im gonna look into what you guys said. thats a bit of weight off my mind.
Agree with this all. I’m just finishing my 3rd year at uni, but luckly LOVE what I do and will prob go on to masters/PhD. You have to love your subject, and it has to be challenging, or you will loose focus and get bored. My advice- get out now, before you get into lots of pointless debt.
In regards to a trade- be carefull about the plumbing ideas. There’s a serious lack of them atm, which means they get great pay, but also means that a lot of people are moving into it. By the time you finish, there may be a lots of plumbers around, so it will not be as great. However, all the trades are seriously lacking in decent, qualified people. Think about maybe carpenter, etc.
Look around first- information is free, and its better to get prepared.
having a trade will mean you will always have work (abroad as well if you want)
and if there’s anything you really want to study in the future, you can… there’s loads of distance learning courses through places like Open University that you can do while you earn money and party
you definitely need to keep an eye on job market trends and be aware of international market pressures.
A few years ago anything IT related was seen as a “nice earner”; this created a glut of IT staff in some sectors, yet businesses were unwilling to train or take risks with younger staff to deal with other skills gaps.
Then the Internet made it easy to outsource work to other nations (where there were already trained and qualified graduates) loads of jobs have simply disappeared – and are not coming back!
Those jobs which remain have lower salaries and longer hours.
Even in the trades wages/salaries have been driven down by competition from skilled tradespeople coming in from Eastern Europe, Another new (and IMO deplorable) development in the construction industry is fast-tracked projects and 12 hour shifts (which can be a source of dangerous situations and accidents).
Plumbing is not an “easy earner”. The work is hard, some of it is nasty (drains, sanitary appliances etc) – just consider if you got the rework job for a building which had been used for a squat party!
To get certain certificates such as Corgi (gas safety) you usually need to be attached to a firm as an apprentice – the the wages can initially be quite low (for most plumbing qualifications you need to provide a portfolio showing actual work carried out and that you have satisfied customers etc).
Electrical Engineering is less “dirty”, still valuable but you need to be industry certified to do certain jobs (including even working on your own home!) – that means either setting up your own business (and swallowing the business risk and costs) or again becoming a lower-paid apprentice.
All these skills are still worth learning as you can use them to improve your own living conditions; and to help others.
There is often more job satisfaction as you are actually making something that many people will use every day and you can see the end results of your project….
Further, The way the world is going there is serious danger of major infrastructure disruptions in some areas and resource shortages,,,
There are many areas even in developed countries where the privatisation of utility services and constant reliance on the market has left big companies to abandon their obligations with regard to maintenance and universal service provision, also those in the social housing sector often do not have access to an acceptable level of building maintenance or decent housing.
Thus, people who can carry out reliable maintenance or construction work particularly with renewable power, water and sanitation infrastructure and who have skills in making things particularly from recycled material will be vital in the future.
The future isn’t going to be just about money and individual careers, it will be about re-building communities and society…
this has cleared up alot of worries in my mind, i know im gonna have to work hard, especially when i enter my chosen job/trade, but it should be worth it in the end. whatever i do, id like to be able to work for myself when im older, hopefully, the career i choose will let me do that one day. as for the coming months, im gonna tell my tutor where to shove it, hopefully make my decisions in the following weeks and hopefully by summer, have a car, a nice little job and a bit of money for myself.
thanks v much for all the advice, because all my friends have followed academic careers, it seemed this was the way to go, despite the fact that i do not achive a thing when im learning in school/ college.
so fuck ne one that calls me a dropout, ill be the one with a steady job at 25 ( i hope!) and theyre still deciding what they wanna do. plus i wont have the responsibilitys of homework and course work. ill simply work hard during the week, and party harder at the weekend! ;):bounce_m: :bounce_o: :bounce_m:
while i agree that all the above is sound, i wouldn’t get too worried about money and the rat race if i were you. there is more to life than the ladder of doom. i went to uni, did three years, blagged another free year as a student, but never passed my degree. i didnt pass cos i have no respect at all for the existing art world as it seems purely geared toward hiding criminal’s money. i occasionally get bummed out that i didny pass myt course, cos of people preconceptions that i “failed”, but then i remember that i didnt finish because i stuck to my guns, i maintained my integrity, and didnt do the parts of the course i didnt like.
i wouldnt take it back for the world, while all my mates were getting bogged down in the horror of 9-5 work, having all the joy sucked out of their lives, i was getting mashed, socialising, getting laid, making art, putting on raves and clubnights and generally living the dream for four years. i wouldnt take it back for the world. i have some mates who are terminally unemployed, some artists, some plumbers and one mate who went to work in the city and is now getting more than 100k a year in singapore. i think we are all happy for different reasons, but for me, my moral integrity is one of my most prized posessions, and i feel its intact, so im happy.
basically what im trying to say is that each person ahs their own path to happyness. you know what you value most, what your priorities are etc, so only you can make the desicion.
the one thing i would say is that you have the opportunity to work on your artwork, get a dirt cheap loan to live off, and have access to some top-notch equipment which will not be handed to you outside uni. dont worry too much about the shit your tutors are trying o get you to do. they have their own agenda, and it isnt you education. i feel that because i challenged my tutors and the work, i got much more out of the degree than if i had blindly ticked their boxes and done their work.
life is what you make it.
i went to oxford cherwell valley college. know what ya mean about tutors havin their own agenda. they dont bother comin to some lessons, we even saw one once in town doin fuck all.
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