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  • Watching BBC Central news last night…..

    TVP have brought a civil action against a DJ, following six months of case building, preventing him organising or taking part in any illegal raves. He had to “accept” the ASBO, but if he breaks it in the next two years, he can go to jail for up to 5 years.

    New tactics, the first time it has been used, and the TVP rep seemed well chuffed with himself. He also stated that they are prepared to use these preventative measures along with other, more traditional policing methods to continue the clampdown against these “threats to the local community”.

    What d’ya think GL?:rant:

    I am aware of this report – but TBH what did people expect? You and I know the areas involved where this happened as we raved them in the mid 90s.

    But we didn’t rave every f*cking weekend, leave the trash behind and allow such stuff as people breaking into other farms and vandalising equipment and scaring livestock!

    Nor was there as many cars blocking the tracks, parties running into Sunday evening (and preventing farmers from doing important work) or people abusing cyclists and dog walkers, I have seen chavs tell a cyclist “we’ve taken over this area, you can’t ride here” (I shooed them away and managed to get the guy through the path)

    unfortunately there is no protest we can make. We can’t claim “human rights” because the sheer amount of parties in one particular area of the Ridgeway impacted on others human rights. Many of the farmers affected aren’t big agri-business places but small rare breed farmers who care about environment and wildlife as well..

    TBH the ASBO is more lenient than I thought as I had originally heard Ryan was banned from any form of music event organisation – he is still allowed to do legal parties.

    Its simply a modern version of the “tragedy of the commons” – everyone pushed it too far and got everything locked down. Not a lot we can do TBH, apart from look into the TENS licensing I suppose for future events.

    For the TVP giving ASBO’s to event organisers is a really good, bad idea. If the rave scene begins to receive increased bad press I can see alot more of these penalties being dished out.

    But to be fair, GL made the point if you’re going to be a nuisance on a regular time and date like clockwork, then you’re asking for this sort of trouble.

    in some ways I do feel though that Ryan was scapegoated for the crimes of others as well – but he was prepared to accept the “limelight” and although its hindsight the crews involved should have done a bit more to minimise external impacts (after all these parties are nothing new and have been going on for about the same time as this site has been online!)

    one thing worth noting is that on-line party photo galleries and banter on messageboards was also used to add to the evidence portfolio against this chap….. so be careful with what your photos show…

    To be fair he’s handled it quite well, made a reasonably good point about the case for raves and got a plug in for Storm! Not sure about the polo shirt though…

    He’s not the first raver to get an ASBO, but the first to get a countrywide ASBO – I do think its a “warning shot” from TVP though. Note the cops mentioning the amount of statements they had from locals, walkers etc complaining…

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    Raving mad An Oxfordshire raver is the first in the country to be banned from organising illegal parties anywhere in England and Wales under the terms of a unique Asbo.
    19om03-330.jpg Ryan Hawkins at the turntable Police described 21-year-old Ryan Hawkins as a ‘major player’ in the Oxfordshire rave scene who was responsible for organising several illegal events last summer, mainly on The Ridgeway.
    Hawkins, of New Shifford Cottage, Standlake, near Witney, was handed an Asbo by Didcot Magistrates yesterday banning him from organising, performing at, or providing equipment for illegal raves for two years.
    But Hawkins said he would continue to act as a DJ and promote legitimate events, as allowed by the order.
    Guy Lemon, representing Thames Valley Police, told magistrates that raves caused considerable distress to residents.
    Among the places where he admitted he had organised raves were Scutchamer Knob and Blowing Stone Hill on The Ridgeway, Hurst Hill near Cumnor, and at White Oak Green, Hailey, near Witney.
    Mr Lemon said: “Police obtained statements from landowners, residents and users of the Ridgeway detailing the distress on their lives.”
    He added that research had shown that Surge Sound System had been instrumental in organising 16 raves in the Thames Valley area last summer and the main organiser behind Surge was Hawkins. He added: “There can be no doubt, police say, that Ryan Hawkins is a major player in the organisation of raves in the Thames Valley area and beyond.”
    Stephen Parker, representing Hawkins, told magistrates that his client accepted the order, and involvement in eight illegal events, and that on seeing information collected by police, had accepted that the raves had caused problems.
    Insp Pete Downing said the action had been taken to protect communities from antisocial behaviour and protect those who attended illegal events, where there were no safety precautions.
    Hawkins, who completed a music technology course at Abingdon and Witney college last year, told the Oxford Mail after the hearing that he would continue to organise and DJ at legitimate events such as Project Storm at the Coven club, in Oxpens Road, Oxford.
    He said he had been performing as a DJ since the age of 14 and got into the underground music scene through friends.
    He said: “There are impacts on the community I didn’t realise at the time, but there is never violence and trouble. I would rather go there where there is no trouble, than to pubs where people get bottled.”

    Thanks for putting up the transcript. I did feel sure that you were aware of it – just wanted to show those not in this area what has happened.

    I agree – the same place/time/people/party concept can indeed by annoying and distressing for the locals.

    I remember the feeling of cameraderie at the early parties – often put on by people who had a sense of purpose and responsibility – Spirals often put out literature, explaining to the “townies” how to respect the countryside – taking litter home, bringing a shovel (bet you don’t see that much these days).

    Of course, over a fifteen year period (if not longer) it can get quite difficlut to come up with an unraved location – the Ridgeway is fairly perfect, if not raved to death. Don’t forget that it is not just the ravers who kill the land – I believe that most of the Ridgeway is now closed to motor vehicles at some times of the year.

    I could go on, and will certainly add to the debate as it runs – but my main feeling is that if you p*ss people off, then the karma of retribution need not be physical. Does anyone know how this affects the rest of Surge?

    D

    I’ve seen rumours that the cops may be after others within Surge for ASBOS, but even without this it affects all of us who go raving in the Thames Valley.

    This is a test case – a precedent has now been set.

    If anybody who is known to be involved with raves is seen repeatedly at a venue and enough locals are prepared to complain and to make statements to cops (all they need to do is ring up TVP and a village bobby can visit them and get the statements midweek), then action can be taken against them.

    incidentally the Ridgeway Traffic Restriction Order (TRO) you mention was never intended for use against ravers. The TRO is intended to stop 4×4 recreational drivers and dirt bikers and farmers from destroying the track during the winter season by driving large vehicles on it.

    This again was a “tragedy of the commons” situation; but in this case (if you look at their websites) the recreational drivers simply realised their use of the track was not sustainable and have accepted the regulation (they warn people off using the track during the winter).

    It was only imposed because people were given a chance to self-regulate and ignored it, and vehicles are still allowed to use the track in warmer months.

    The main environmental damage ravers cause to the Ridgeway is contamination from human excrement and deliberate vandalism of agricultural infrastructure such as breaking fences (which leads to livestock escapes), frightening young livestock by excessive noise or burgling farms and trashing machinery – surprisingly their vehicles are not seen a major source of damage, but they are seen as a nuisance due to blocking roads and denying access to locals and a road safety hazard due to drug driving / sleep deprivation.

    Dan Ooops! wrote:
    I remember the feeling of cameraderie at the early parties – often put on by people who had a sense of purpose and responsibility – Spirals often put out literature, explaining to the “townies” how to respect the countryside – taking litter home, bringing a shovel (bet you don’t see that much these days).

    Funnily enough, this is exactly what I’ve been working on this week…………….and I always have a shovel in the back of my wagon.

    Mariasupial wrote:
    Funnily enough, this is exactly what I’ve been working on this week…………….and I always have a shovel in the back of my wagon.

    essential for loads of things including snowdrifts in winter…every car should have one or at least a good gardening trowel:bigsmile::bigsmile:

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