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February 1, 2006 at 10:32 am

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BioTech

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Went in to a pub last night for a quiet drink with my brother wearing a hoodie (hood down).

Got served without any event. In walks a young chap who is clearly a barman and he gives me the look of death then walks to the barmaid and whispers something.

He scurries off round the corner and she then politely asks me to remove my hoody. After having a good old laugh I remove it without fuss but I then felt a bit annoyed that the guy didn’t have the decency to ask me himself and even ran away round the corner when she asked me.

So when he reappeared I told him in a slightly condescending voice “sorry for upsetting you my friend”. He then told the barmaid not to serve me anymore and when me and my brother objected he told her not to serve either of us and asked us to leave. We decided to finish our drinks before we left and during this time he stayed round the corner out of view so the barmaid was subjected to any resulting abuse (not that we’d give any) even though it was his decision.

Anyway. We finished our drinks then took the piss out of the guy a little (not in a nasty or offensive way) and left.

My question is. Do you think he was right or wrong? I can understand they may get trouble makers wearing hoodies but surely they get an equal share of trouble makers NOT wearing hoodies? This was not a ‘trendy’ bar either, where you might expect them to be objective to certain types of dress.

I’m quite ammused at the whole situation to be honest. I didn’t think hoodyism had hit my ‘out of the way’ home town yet but maybe all the media attention has made everybody ‘hoody aware’.
February 1, 2006 at 11:06 am

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globalloon

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it’s a bit sad really

a friend of mine has a similar experience… he’s the chairperson of the licensing committee and a pub landlord himself incidentally

he’s balding and always wears a hat to cover up his big ugly dome

he’s been refused entry to several pubs (while wearing a hat) despite the landlords knowing him well and knowing that he is the chair of the license committee and as such would never cause any trouble

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February 1, 2006 at 11:14 am

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Hello.

Although it’s true that ‘management reserve the right’ and all that, it seems absolutely bizarre that people aren’t allowed to wear what basically amounts to warm clothing on a cold day.

There are some places where I am (Reading) that won’t let people in with hoods up or baseball caps, but this is so the cameras can see them in case of any trouble; if the hood’s down, I can’t see the problem.

I think the whole fact that he asked his barmaid to tell you all of this while he was hiding away either shows that he knows that he was being ridiculous, or he’s got such a ridiculous, media driven view of society, that everyone with a hoodie has an ASBO.

I think he was wrong, but I don’t run a pub. If I did, though, I’d probably have a strictly enforced ‘fancy dress’ dress code…
February 1, 2006 at 11:14 am

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General Lighting

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the issue is not so much the wearing of hooded tops (common urban street wear since the late 1980s) but their use to conceal identity when causing trouble which is a more recent phenomenon, albeit perhaps far more to do with a violent divided society than mere fashion trends.

I was asked to leave a shopping centre in Basildon in 1990 when wearing one, although this was more because I was with a bunch of local teens and we were larking around there and not buying anything rather than what I was wearing.

In both cases the pub and the shopping centre are private businesses.

They have the right to choose their customers on any criteria provided they do not discriminate on racial or gender grounds. For instance at one point you were not able to enter Harrods if your dress is too casual (may still be the case?!) and there’s all those London restaurants where a man must wear a tie before they are served.

However the way this was done was completely wrong, particularly as had you been a nasty character it would have exposed the female staff member to potential danger (perhaps its worth complaining to the brewery management about this).

The best way to deal with this is to boycott these places and hit the pub in the pocket – buy your drinks from the off license and drink them at a friends house, and tell as many of the pubs customers who do not agree with the policy to do the same.
February 1, 2006 at 11:58 am

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BioTech

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I don’t often drink in pubs, plus there is no shortage of pubs round my town. So I’m not paticularly bothered about it. It was the first time I had been in there for about 5 years actually.

In fact they did us a favour, because we left to find a more welcoming establishment and met a load of people we hadn’t seen for years 🙂
February 1, 2006 at 12:04 pm

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BioTech

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On reflection, it’s a shame I was wearing a t-shirt underneath. I could have taken my hoody off as requested and sat there bare top. I’m sure that would make them happy.
February 1, 2006 at 3:16 pm

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Holeydel

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Sounds like the barman was enjoying his little bit of power. Twat!
February 2, 2006 at 10:24 am

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Tweetybird

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BioTech wrote:

IIn fact they did us a favour, because we left to find a more welcoming establishment and met a load of people we hadn’t seen for years 🙂

:bigsmile: …which just goes to show, everything happens for a reason.

Well we’re already being told how to think in this society, why not how to dress too?

I just feel sorry for the bloke, who 1) obviously hasn’t got a clue what life’s really about, and is never likely to, and 2) imagine being such a small scared little man that you have to send a young barmaid to do your “dirty work…” wouldn’t you just hate to be him!? :crazy_fre

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February 2, 2006 at 3:22 pm

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Tombo

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That makes no sense!
Why does taking the hoody off make any differnce? Surely he should have asked you to leave straight away for wearing the hoody. Unless he believes that the hoody itself is an evil and by taking it off it you are no longer a bad person.
Some of my hoodys are a little evil after a good party. But a wash normally sorts them out….. same can’t be said for my trainers tho :crazy_fre
February 2, 2006 at 3:43 pm

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General Lighting

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Tombo wrote:

That makes no sense!
Why does taking the hoody off make any differnce? Surely he should have asked you to leave straight away for wearing the hoody. Unless he believes that the hoody itself is an evil and by taking it off it you are no longer a bad person.

The main “legitimate” reason is that the CCTV cannot easily see your face if you are wearing the hoody. Many pubs have a “rogues gallery” of troublemakers supplied to them by the Police (pubwatch scheme) so they were probably comparing your face against the list of suspects.

it does not though make any sense to eject a paying customer who has complied with the dress code request and is clearly not causing trouble – but in many businesses you get “customer service” people who hate the customers and are looking for any excuse whatsoever for getting their own back at a customer, particularly someone who is young and is unlikely to complain in writing to the management.

I have been banned from a store after I politely but persistently obtained a refund on faulty goods (the next time I went in they actually said “I had given someone a load of hassle” and threatened to call the Police if I did not leave) – and I am not really a thug!

This is one reason why UK business is so dysfunctional…
February 2, 2006 at 4:26 pm

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Acidfairy

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I went into a shop the other day as i had a problem with something that i had bought from there and I was wearing combats and a hoody… I stood waiting patiently whilst other people were served and when it should have been my turn a guy in a suit walked in and the shop assistant served him before me!!!!:rant: Needless to say i walked out in disgust, i came home and pulled on one of my suits that I wear to work and went back into the same shop, within seconds there was someone going ” can i help you madam?” to which i replied i certainly hope so and demanded to speak to the manager..
I explained what had happened to him and he didn’t believe it so i told him to look back on his cctv tapes where he saw that i was indeed in earlier in different clothes, he apologised and i got my refund however i can’t really see them doing anything about it..
It really is a case of tarring people with the same brush.. I wear a suit 5-6 days a week i really don’t want to have to put one on everytime i go out just to get respect and served….
Rant over….:rant:for now….
February 3, 2006 at 8:47 am

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Tweetybird

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Maybe we should be angry at the a*seholes who have given the humble hoody such a bad name that everyone who chooses to wear one strikes fear in the hearts of the average Joe!

Maybe we should ALSO be angry at the media for perpetuating and unnecessarily inflating this message. Like everything else, the effect would be 100, 1000, 1,000,000 times less without the influence of the media.

As usual, society’s got it all so bloody wrong….:head_bang

This kind of stuff makes me want to check out of life for a while. Anyone else wanna opt out of the world and become self sufficient? :weee:
February 3, 2006 at 10:01 am

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General Lighting

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fanfairy wrote:

Maybe we should be angry at the a*seholes who have given the humble hoody such a bad name that everyone who chooses to wear one strikes fear in the hearts of the average Joe!

exactly. Hoodies were being worn in Britain as early as 1989 yet you didn’t see this kind of hysteria about them….

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Maybe we should ALSO be angry at the media for perpetuating and unnecessarily inflating this message. Like everything else, the effect would be 100, 1000, 1,000,000 times less without the influence of the media.

depends which media you read – crime reporting in most liberal newspapers is fairly balanced.

hiding bad news is just as bad if not worse….

I agree that there is too much hysteria over the use of one particular item of clothing to hide identity when committing crime – but there is a real problem with crime and particularly violent crime in Britain and the EU, and it is getting worse. young males in particular are clearly seeing violence as a lifestyle option, and their victims are anyone who challenges them or stands up to them. The problems at London raves are a good example of how bad its got.

Also, racial and gender tolerance have decreased to a level similar to that of the early 1980s, as a backlash against political correctness, there is more hate crime and less respect for people who are different than even 5 years ago

if you do a rave nowadays (free or licensed) you have to always keep an eye out for trouble and even the older chaps often hold grudges and bring them to parties…

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This kind of stuff makes me want to check out of life for a while. Anyone else wanna opt out of the world and become self sufficient? :weee:

its perfectly possible and always has been for years, but requires more work than many realise. Good to see you even thinking about this – most other people just “opt out” by taking too many drugs..
February 3, 2006 at 1:39 pm

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Hey, I feel like a pensioner now, because I received a hooded sweatshirt (that’s what people used to call them) as a birthday/Christmas present (not a combined present, it’s just so long ago I can’t remember which) way back in the late seventies. Yes, that’s right, late seventies. I’m just too honest, that’s my problem.
February 3, 2006 at 2:23 pm

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DJ FATTMAN

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personally i think it pathetic that u was asked to remove the top, esp when the person who had the problem didnt hav the balls to ask u himself. I always wear a hooded top (other than in work), not for ne fashion reason but to keep my head warm when i am walkin about. I can see peoples points with young fools wearin them and causin trouble, but y should people be tarred with the same brush? Not every person wearin a hooded in a yobbo. I think that the situation with it has deffo got out of hand, with people wantin to ban them. U dont see them sayin they are gonna ban base ball caps cause Chavs/Trouble makers wear them. Also did the pub hav a warning sayin that they are not to be warn on the premises? Cause if they didnt surely u were in yr right to be able to stay there and keep drinkin and not get persicuted for wearin 1. I would be writtin a letter of complaint to the manager of the pub.
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