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April 6, 2006 at 7:03 am

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I’m pleased to say that we’ve regained our authority site status on google having lost it briefly when I made changes to the site’s last month (ie: moved gallery/rave.partyvibe.com back to http://www.partyvibe.com/)…

Party website with games, mp3, radio, movies, pictures, calendar …
[SIZE=-1]In 1995 because of repression on drugs, the free party and rave party scene in the … What is a rave party or free party? – I’ve never been to one before. …
www.partyvibe.com/ – 25k – 4 Apr 2006 – Cached – Similar pages
Chat – Games – Site Map – Radio
More results from http://www.partyvibe.com »[/SIZE]
April 6, 2006 at 7:05 am

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Google PageRank for http://www.partyvibe.com is: 5 / 10

Alexa Ranking for http://www.partyvibe.com is: 325,955 (Top rank is 1)

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You have a good Google rank. Your website is trusted by most known users and companies. You’re website should be recieving good amount of hits.

Search Engine Listings
Google: 40,500 VIEW
MSN Search: 350 VIEW
Yahoo: 79,800 VIEW
April 6, 2006 at 7:07 am

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Authority Sites: Getting the Necessary PageRank

There are several authority site attributes; Wayne Hurlbert addresses how PageRank can contribute to making your site an authority site. He advises having a good internal linking structure and a site map to properly distribute the inflow of PageRank to the pages most needing it.

A goal of many webmasters is to have their website achieve the status of an authority site for their most important keywords. An authority, or sometimes referred to as an expert site, requires strong content, a large number of pages, and a large number of incoming and outgoing links that are themed to website content.

It’s widely considered by many observers that the Google algorithm places great importance on authority site status. It is a goal well worth striving for with your site.

An authority site also requires a healthy dose of PageRank. Most authority sites have at least a PR7, with many being much higher. It should be noted that the size, in terms of number of indexed pages and the content of a site, is also very important in recognizing authority sites. PageRank is only one of several authority site attributes, but is the one we are examining more closely right now.

Developing an authority site (as we’ll call it throughout this article) is a worthwhile goal, for website owners attempting to rise to the top of the search engine results pages (SERPs) for their most important keyword phrases. In fact, authorities are usually positioned on the first two pages of the SERPs. The object of authority site building is to become one of the most important sites in the opinion of the Google algorithm for those keywords and phrases.

The keys to becoming an authority site are highly interrelated. They include number of indexed pages, content, links, and strong Google PageRank. All of those factors work in harmony as your site rises in the search engine rankings to achieve that highly desirable authority site status. Lacking any of those qualities, your site may not reach the authority goal.

One common thread that joins all authority sites is their relatively high levels of Google PageRank. While perhaps not the most important factor in the authority rank status, it is a good indicator of that possible position. That PageRank level requires an abundance of powerful inbound links from related themed sites.

Also important for potential authority sites are links from the most important internet directories, including the Open Directory Project (DMOZ), the Yahoo! Directory, and the Google Directory. In fact, any good quality human edited directory will help enhance a possible authority site.

To get to the authority site realm, your site needs incoming links. Let’s examine that PageRank issue for authority sites.

Many observers discount the importance of Google PageRank as a relic of Google algorithms past. They say its importance has diminished to being little more than green shaded eye candy for website owners. That may be true in many cases.

While PageRank may have possibly had its value lessened, it still is seen in abundance on Google designated authority sites. As PageRank rises, it does indicate that linking programs are successful. As we shall see, there is more to linking,than simply their absolute number. PageRank shows you are making solid progress toward achieving authority status with your linking activities.

An authority site needs solid on and off page content, themed incoming links, and strong PageRank. Each of these factors is needed for becoming an authority. Because each is dependent on the others, they are all intertwined and important. Google PageRank is one of those necessary elements.

All authority sites are content rich with often well over 1000 pages in total. Authority sites tend to be large sites; hence their importance. Authorities simply have an abundance of content. That heavy emphasis on content is reflected in off page factors as well. Because so many links are coming into the authority site’s high volume of content, there is usually strong link anchor text working towards themeing the site.

Links to the home page strengthen the PageRank of that main entry page. That PageRank is filtered through to the internal pages as well. Various internal pages also receive a PageRank boost from their own incoming links. Not everyone links to a site’s home page. That fact is especially true for authority sites. A well designed site map and internal linking system are essential to redistribute the incoming flow of PageRank to the pages requiring it most.

Other sites link to interesting and useful content for the benefit of their own visitor traffic. Each incoming link helps a web page’s link popularity and Google PageRank. It is thought that the most recent incarnation of the Google algorithm is placing much heavier weighting on incoming links. On page content factors are possibly being treated as less important. While that may hold true for the algorithm directly, it doesn’t account for additional links attracted by strong and informative content.

Many authority sites include a forum, a blog, and often a theme link directory as part of their content. All of those options enable a site to increase its amount of fresh themed content very quickly. All of them attract additional PageRank through their incoming links.

Good content draws natural links from other sites. Those links bring with them an influx of PageRank.

Authority sites require links for both PageRank and as link popularity for high search engine rankings. Links are the reason for PageRank, which depends on links for its value. Perhaps more than anything else, authority sites require themed incoming links, although all inbound links are helpful.

Like the related hub sites, which are identified from their heavy use of outgoing links to theme-related sites, authority sites must link out to other important sites as well. Authority site owners must be careful to maintain a high ratio of inbound to outbound links, favoring the former, of course.

Some additional incoming links from high PageRank sources might be purchased. While I don’t usually advocate the buying of links, sometimes it has a place for some websites. Each case should be examined individually for the usefulness of purchased links.

Authority sites should be submitted to all of the major and secondary internet directories. The most important directory links, especially the human selected ones, carry tremendous weight with Google. Along with submitting to DMOZ, website owners on their way to authority status should also consider submissions to the important secondary human edited directories. These include JoeAnt, Gimpsy, Skaffe, Zeal/Looksmart, and GoGuides.

Being included in DMOZ is a very important step towards becoming an authority. The recognition, by that most important directory, may even be part of the calculation as to which sites achieve authority status. Paying the $299.00 inclusion fee for the Yahoo! Directory might also be worthwhile strictly for the PageRank enhancement alone.

Added incoming links from charity sites and even from government agencies are especially powerful in terms of the Google algorithm. Displaying high PageRanks and often being authorities in their own right charities provide very desirable links. You may have to trade some volunteer work or a service for the link, but it’s well worth it for the authority site enhancement.

Potential authority site owners should never be afraid to link out to important and theme related government and charity sites either. As an authority linking out to other authority sites can also add the attributes of a hub site to your website. As you are probably aware, the main quality of a hub site is its high number of outgoing links to related theme websites. A site can be both a hub and an authority, or it can be either one. They are not mutually exclusive.

Authority site aspirants should seriously consider link exchanges with competitor sites. While that concept appears on the surface, to be counterintuitive, it’s not. A site that has links to and from, all of the major sites in the theme topic, will be seen as important for that reason alone. If a site were not important, it would not have inbound links from the leading sites in its industry. This is one area where linking to a direct competitor might provide some real value.

Along with having large numbers of indexed pages and high numbers of inbound anchor text rich links, an authority site usually features very high Google PageRank. It’s well worth your while to start a linking campaign that adds the necessary PageRank for authority site status. In the SERPs for your most important keyword phrases, the top two and often three returns pages contain numerous authority sites. Because of the importance attached to those sites by the Google algorithm, they are unlikely to see any kind of a major drop, even if the current algorithm is changed.

In order to develop a well themed high PageRank authority site, you must be certain to have the on page and off page content that will attract numerous incoming links.

Since many of the links will be natural one-way inbound links, you might not always be able to control the link anchor text. That is not always a bad thing, as mixed link text works in your favor. The sheer volume of incoming links, many from authority and hub sites, will provide ample link popularity and PageRank for your potential authority site.

Make certain that you have a good internal linking structure and a site map to properly distribute the inflow of PageRank to the pages most needing it.

It’s certainly worthwhile to develop an authority site for your most important keyword phrases.
Getting the required inbound links, and the necessary PageRank, will start you on your way to achieving that exalted authority site status.
April 6, 2006 at 8:18 am

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funny cat

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cool man…..u should be proud of your baby :horay:
April 6, 2006 at 9:45 am

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DJ FATTMAN

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hugh wot do u use to submit the site to search engines dude??
April 6, 2006 at 9:52 am

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These days search engines find you so I don’t use any. Why?
April 6, 2006 at 2:28 pm

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DJ FATTMAN

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Site wrote:

These days search engines find you so I don’t use any. Why?

just looking for a way to get my site to come up more, it comes up quite alot but wanna get it so it gets more hits. I leave it in the links section of every where i go but just lookin for better ways to get it out.
April 6, 2006 at 2:42 pm

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DJ FATTMAN wrote:

just looking for a way to get my site to come up more, it comes up quite alot but wanna get it so it gets more hits. I leave it in the links section of every where i go but just lookin for better ways to get it out.

Here’s some reading for you… 🙂

What is PageRank?

PageRank is a score given by Google to each web page (not site) on a 0-10 logarithmic scale that is used as one (amongst many others) of the parameters for building the Search Engine Results Pages (SERPs). This score is calculated using an incremental mathematical agorithm.

Basically, at increment 0, each page starts with the same amount of pagerank. Then between each step, the new PR of each page is calculated depending on the amount of links to this page in google’s index, on their respective PRs, and on the number of links on these pages. The algorithm eventually converges, which gives the PR one can see on the google toolbar.

The PR is used as an indicator of a site’s importance. The more important (read, high PR) sites link to you, the higher your PR.

Note that PR is logarithmic, meaning that a link from a PR8 page will be equivalent for hundreds of PR3 links.

Note as well that PR is only one in many factors influencing your site’s rankings, others including, on-page content, and inbound links anchor text. A high PR without a well-thought keyword strategy may not bring much traffic.

Note finally that the PR you see on the toolbar is updated only once in a while (it’s generally a couple weeks/months out of date), and that it is rounded down (the number not changing does not mean your actual PR did not change).

What to do to improve my PageRank?

Get more links to your site! The more links you get, from pages with PR as high as possible, and with as less on-page links as possible, the higher your PR will get. Using the command link:http://www.yoursite.com in google will show you some of the sites linking to you (it is generally considered only sites with PR>=4 are listed).

You can get links to your site by submitting it to directories (see below), exchanging links with other webmasters, or by generally having a quality site and promoting it a little bit so that people naturally link to you (whatever link exchange networks may say, this is the most efficient).

Why do I have PR0?

A page with PR0 is generally a page that has been recently added to the index. Google knows about it, it may show up in SERPs, but no PR shows up yet. Be patient!

The other possibility is you got banned from the index for black-hat SEOing (trying to manipulate the SERPs using non-conventional techniques), but it’s unlikely you would be reading this post if it was the case .

Why do some links seem not to be counted?

As mentionned above, the link: command only shows backlinks with a Pr higher than 4. Also, links from sites using redirect scripts combined with robots.txt, form links, or javascripted links may not be counted by the search engines.

Why does googlebot only visit the home page?

This pattern is often seen for very new sites. Basically googlebot finds your home page, gives it PR0, gets back to it a few times, than it will give it a PR, go one level deeper in your site (giving PR0 to all newly found pages), and so on. The deepness of googlebot’s crawl depends of your home page’s PR. Get more links, and you will get more pages indexed as well. Again, be patient!

What to do to improve my rankings in search engines?

1. First, build content. Without content you won’t go anywhere. For the special case of a forum, that means get members, activity, interesting discussions. You may think about adding content pages if your site is forum only.

2. Then the second step is to think about what searches you would like to rank high on. The keywords you will choose need to be relevant, and to be searched for (check out the resources section to see keyword popularity tools).

It’s useless to rank well for an irrelevant term, or for a term that nobody searches.

Remember that the most searched terms are not necessarily the best ones for you though. They are much harder to perform well on, and sometimes not the best for your site (an ecommerce site selling mountainbikes should probably target “discount mountainbikes” or “buy mountainbikes” rather than “bikes”).

3. Optimize your on-page content. You have built quality content, cool, now optimize it for the keywords you have chosen. Most importantly, your keywords should be present in your page title. While you can neglect the other meta tags, title is very important, both in the eyes of the rankings algorithm and in those of the user looking at the SERPs. The second important on-page factor is internal links. Anchor text of links to a page is one of the most important parameters in the rankings algorithm, so don’t waste the fact that you can choose the anchor text of all your internal links. Of course you cannot choose your forum’s topics title, but you can choose your home page and your various forums title and anchor text, so choose them wisely. Also, remove additional text in topic titles than just the title (like “powered by whatever forum software” and such).

4. Make sure your pages are indexable. Hide session IDs from robots, do not use javascript links, if your site has thousands of content pages, create a site map.

5. Build more content! Get your community growing!

6. Get links to your site. As much as possible, try to make those links have your keywords in their anchor text.

7. Get more links to your site.

8. Be patient.

Do i need to submit my site to search engines?

Not really, although that won’t hurt. You won’t rank well if you don’t have links to your site, and you will be found if you do. So getting inbound links is the best submission you can do.

Where can I find people to exchange links with?

To be able to exchange links, you’ll need a links section (obvious but well…). Go to sites related to your topic, and kindly introduce your site, why it is relevant to their own topic, then suggest a link exchange. You may be much more successful if you visit sites that don’t have themselves a forum for their visitors to discuss. You may even offer them a dedicated area in your forum if they seem to get high traffic.

How to get more pages from my forum indexed?

Remove session IDs from URLs for guests (and therefore search engine robots), and do not require cookies to be enabled. I think most forum software I know of can achieve this through a mod/hack when it’s not built in. This is the most important, if you leave SIDs robots won’t get further than one or two levels.

If you have access to mod_rewrite, and a search-engine friendly URLs hack is available for your software, install it. Robots are getting better at indexing dynamic URLs, still they go much further and faster when the URLs look static.

Alternatively, an archive hack/mod may provide some results (although I’m not a big fan of it since it duplicates pages).

Have your forum readable by guests. Registration-only forums are not only bad for getting new members, they’re also pretty bad for bringing search engine traffic to your site.

What should I not do for SEO?

Do not go to link farms, do not use blind link exchange services, do not use spam techniques (hidden text, cloaking pages etc.etc.), do not link to “bad neighbourhood” (pages using such techniques).

More generally, never do anything for SEO that will lower the quality of your users’ experience.

Still not working, what can I do?

Be patient! It takes time to rank well for traffic terms. Not 2 days, not 2 weeks. On-page changes may take any time up to two months before being taken into account in the rankings algorithm (even if showing up in the cache before that), and sitewide changes may often take several months before you can see their actual effect.

Finally, don’t forget that search engine marketing is only one way to promote your site. You can get a lot of visitors from links that are not good in search engines terms but great in traffic exposure (like forum signatures). Search engine marketing is certainly not in all cases the most efficient way to promote a forum. Having a great community and having your users let it know around them will probably bring you more traffic.

Resources

About Pagerank

http://www.iprcom.com/papers/pagerank/

Finding keywords

http://www.wordtracker.com/
http://inventory.overture.com/d/sear…ry/suggestion/
http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/suggestion/ (both combined)
http://www.searchguild.com/cgi-bin/difficulty.pl (tool giving an idea of the difficulty to rank high for a given kw, needs google api key)
http://www.socengine.com/seo/tools/k…culty-tool.php (same but without the need for the api key)

Following a site’s rankings

http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/ (needs a google api key)

Keyword density analyzer

http://www.ranks.nl/tools/spider.html (best one ive come accross).

Get PR without a toolbar

http://www.top25web.com/pagerank.php

More tools

http://www.linkworth.com/tools/

General directories

http://dmoz.org/
http://dir.yahoo.com/
http://zeal.com/
http://www.bluefind.com/ (not free)
http://www.wowdirectory.com/
http://www.gimpsy.com/
http://www.webworldindex.com/
http://www.yeandi.com/
http://www.worldwidewub.org/

Forum directories

http://www.forumshowcase.com/
http://www.forum-directory.com/
http://www.forum-finder.com/
http://www.forumzilla.com/
http://www.forum-search.com/
http://www.forumsearch.tk/
http://www.forumsindex.net/
http://www.forumsinfo.com/
http://www.foruma-z.com/
http://www.forumrating.com/
http://www.ipbdirectory.com
http://www.phpbbdirectory.com
http://www.vbulletindirectory.com

Forum search engine

http://www.boardreader.com

Directory of directories (to find some dedicated to your topic)

http://www.isedb.com/

A directory of forum directories

http://www.forum-directories.com

Glossary of terms

http://www.seochat.com/c/a/Search-En…e-Optimization

Check various metrics

http://www.marketleap.com/siteindex/ (search engine saturation)
http://www.marketleap.com/publinkpop/ (link popularity)

Check on google updates

http://www.rankpulse.com/
http://www.mcdar.net/dance/index.php

Forums where to ask further seo questions

http://www.theadminzone.com/forums/f…splay.php?f=19
http://www.seochat.com/
http://www.highrankings.com/
http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3
http://www.webmasterworld.com/
April 6, 2006 at 3:11 pm

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My Mate sorted it so that my website comes up 1st on google and some of the other search engines when they type in acidfairy…. before he did that funnily enough Partyvibe came up as the 1st site to be associated with acidfairy!!! :horay:
April 9, 2006 at 7:02 pm

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Site wrote:

Google PageRank for http://www.partyvibe.com is: 5 / 10

Alexa Ranking for http://www.partyvibe.com is: 325,955 (Top rank is 1)

Description: You have a good Google rank. Your website is trusted by most known users and companies. You’re website should be recieving good amount of hits.

Search Engine Listings
Google: 40,500 VIEW
MSN Search: 350 VIEW
Yahoo: 79,800 VIEW

Google fluctuates so much is silly, not that most people notice but still…

Google PageRank for http://www.partyvibe.com is: 5 / 10

Alexa Ranking for http://www.partyvibe.com is: 325,955 (Top rank is 1)

Description: You have a good Google rank. Your website is trusted by most known users and companies. You have an average alexa ranking. Your website seems new to most Internet users. You’re website should be recieving good amount of hits.

Search Engine Listings
Google: 74,600 VIEW
MSN Search: 398 VIEW
Yahoo: 79,700 VIEW
April 10, 2006 at 12:14 pm

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Google had one of its ‘Google Dances’ last week. Probably accounts for the fluctuation in google data.

I have learnt LOTS from http://www.webmasterworld.com/ as pointed out above.

It was mentioned above about submissions. Hugh is entirley right in that you dont submit anymore. Get your sites linked from other sites and the engines will find you.

Essentially unique content plus quality inbound (and outbound) links is the key to a succesfull site. Avoid ‘Bad neighbourhoods’ like FFA links pages and sites that promise to get you thousands of links for free etc…

Further reading here :
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/2010.htm
April 10, 2006 at 2:05 pm

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SdZ wrote:

Google had one of its ‘Google Dances’ last week. Probably accounts for the fluctuation in google data.

I have learnt LOTS from http://www.webmasterworld.com/ as pointed out above.

It was mentioned above about submissions. Hugh is entirley right in that you dont submit anymore. Get your sites linked from other sites and the engines will find you.

Essentially unique content plus quality inbound (and outbound) links is the key to a succesfull site. Avoid ‘Bad neighbourhoods’ like FFA links pages and sites that promise to get you thousands of links for free etc…

Further reading here :
http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/2010.htm

By dictating terms to the internet Google have started down the path to the dark side IMHO! Last week I included some paid links to our front page and we immediately lost more than 2 points PR, although we’re going back to normal now that I’ve removed them and resubmitted, who are they to say what I can and can’t do!

Another thing about them that really irritates me about them’s the fact they’re so keen to gain market share. They keep launching themselves into these great ideas and nerver realising them completely because their off doing something else right away…

Grrrr!
April 10, 2006 at 3:21 pm

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and their original mission statement was “dont be evil” i spose with that much attention to ethical policy they were always gonna turn out sith!
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