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  • elraveon wrote:
    I am still interested in the right to gather for free events for a wider comunity than just rave and on a national scale at specific times and I think its where we should be putting efforts or at least soon if they make partys impossible to happen, tbh I cant see that we will be able to continue for much longer, they are not going to put up with it IMO.

    excuse my cheek in stealing this quote but i am interested in a discussion of this idea elraveon; [with the possible intention of putting my effort into helping with them]

    it would certainly address several of the current problems with free parties…:alien_abd

    we’ve touched on this a couple of times – the biggest problems are getting all the central and local goverment agencies involved to agree and “security issues”.

    In England and Wales it would need the local authority, the Home Office, Department for Culture, Media and Sport and Defra and maybe the Forestry Commision all to work together

    out of these Defra may have once been the most amenable to such an idea and Forestry already have concerts in the woods.

    I’ve seen some amazing comments from Defra ministers which looks like the sort of stuff that come out of that Indian chaps magazine that globaloon mentions in his sig (stuff like the spiritual value of recreation in the woods) but realistically Defra are overwhelmed with work such as farm subsidies and dealing with the potential problems from bird flu – if you lobbied them it would not be treated as a priority subject at the moment.

    the Home Office and DCMS would deal with the licensing issues; but their official angle on raves and festivals appears to be that “they can happen but there is already a market-based solution which includes full recovery of the cost to the Emergency Services” and “robust measures should be in place to prevent drug use at the event and ensure security” (i.e you buy a ticket and pay for the cops to search you).

    and another problem lies at our door. Within our community there are still a lot of angry young men who if they gather in large groups try to prove themselves by fighting amongst one another.

    some of my friends have worked on security at festivals – they are not thugs but they are no angels (mind you nor was I in my youth) and even they are shocked by how easy it is for mindless violence to kick off at a festival, sometimes from people who aren’t even normally violent! its so easy for a mob mentality to take over or for male pride to drive people to violence, especially in the hot sun with people eagerly watching. At one festival in Oxfordshire people travelled 10 miles from a nearby city area to carry on a fight that had started in the city..

    there is in fact a long-standing tradition of rival groups fighting it out at fairs/festivals (if you read English/celtic history you must have come across this at one point) and the conventional authorities being deployed to restore order – something which has been going on since middle ages and many larger village fairs were outlawed because of this when their commercial roles fell by the wayside.

    even today authorities treat every festival under the Major Incident protocol (i.e setting up Silver command – extra control rooms for emergency services) which is more suited to dealing with contamination or terrorist attack!

    we need to deal with our own binge/fighting/hard man culture and regulate ourselves before we can hope for the wider society to give any ground (either figuratively or literally), and too many people before us have fucked up along the way (think of the old style festivals and what happened to them, or the decline and fall of the Exodus collective) – we need to convince authorities such events would not just be a magnet for criminality and violence.. (that said there are good precendents like Guildford Ambient picnic)

    I have been partying just over a year and have only encounted one fight and that was at a London party, am i a lucky gal or is it just the parties i go to? It still amazes me how so many people from all walks of life get along and have loadsa fun together at free parties, yet each time i go clubbing in town which is rare for me there is always a fight by the end of the night. Good luck to us all.

    Irie wrote:
    I have been partying just over a year and have only encounted one fight and that was at a London party, am i a lucky gal or is it just the parties i go to? It still amazes me how so many people from all walks of life get along and have loadsa fun together at free parties, yet each time i go clubbing in town which is rare for me there is always a fight by the end of the night. Good luck to us all.

    a bit of both but free parties and festivals are slightly different.

    you go to parties in the East of the UK which is a mostly young, idealistic, friendly crowd – and TBH most people attend parties nearby to where they live with people they know and are friendly with.

    ravers are still a more friendly, tolerant bunch than most people although clearly they are still vulnerable to negative influences from wider society and parties in places like London(istan) have been blighted both by gang culture and the understandable atmosphere of hate and paranoia created in the wake of 7/7….

    remember though free parties a semi-clandestine activity which only a dedicated core of people take part in or even get to find out about.

    it takes time to get the connections and make the network of friends to get to parties; people need to keep in with that network of friends to stay in the loop, so thugs and idiots tend not to stay in these networks long unless the scene itself has gone too dysfunctional like in London

    however we are talking about being alowed to have licensed festivals to which any random off the street could come to – with a greater chance of idiots causing problems either through ignorance or a deliberate attempt to fuck things up or take over.

    As a steward/helper for a few licensed events I’ve noticed way more problems at licensed festivals than free parties. theres more alcohol and a wider variety of people so fights are more common. certain right wing/football hooligan types often attend these events with the clear intention of disrupting them and causing problems; particularly if they are hosting stalls from left wing/progressive activist organisations.

    paradoxicaly I get the impresion that because there are people in uniforms around the punters don’t look after themselves as much as they would.

    A relative works in a hospital Emergency department in an area where legal festivals happen and he has to deal with stuff such as (minor) overdoses, various injuries and worst of all young suburban parents (not the experienced festival going familes!) who cart a small baby/child to the event and let it get hungry/dehydrated whilst they go off partying…

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