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  • l now live near the North Sea.

    Even if the oil has mostly been used up there’s still tankers/storage facilities round here (well apart from Buncefield which went kaboom)…. and they offload at various points on the coast

    yet petrol has gone over £1.00 per litre and the East of England has some of the highest prices? Surely you’d expect prices to be cheaper nearer to the storage depots or fuel transport routes?

    So not only do people round here have to put up with pollution, security risks, fire/explosion risks from being near fuel depots the petrol is more expensive even than the inland regions. I don’t even drive and this makes me angry….

    Its all tax in the price anyway! Petrol about 20 years ago was somthing like 20-30p per litre! they’ve realised they can keep puttin up the price a little every year but now its just getting bloody stupid!

    76p from every LTR is tax, robbing bastards at the goverment!

    stop holding back cheep fuel like bio deisiel and the alternitives… and give us better options. dont just take the 25 billion per year they make on taxes from petrol and tax and just spend 5 bill a year on roads? WFT does the rest go ,, robbing bastards

    TK-421 wrote:
    76p from every LTR is tax, robbing bastards at the goverment!

    stop holding back cheep fuel like bio deisiel and the alternitives… and give us better options. dont just take the 25 billion per year they make on taxes from petrol and tax and just spend 5 bill a year on roads? WFT does the rest go ,, robbing bastards

    i hate the way theyre holding back on new technology like hydrogen cars, theyre is a honda or nissan one you can buy already, but where the fuck do you go to fill it up? untill someone starts building hydrogen pumps around britain, no ones gonna buy one and i doubt garages owned by fuel companies are ever gonne do it. im not very politicaly informed so i aint gonna point the finger just yet, but with most of our garages being owned by US companies like esso and texaco, the lack of renuable energy powered cars has gotta have alot to do with them

    its the lack of biofuel such as recycled fryer oil from chippies and restaurants that annoys me – they have to pay to get rid of it and we could drive our cars on it [well the diesels anyway]:you_crazy:you_crazy

    raj wrote:
    its the lack of biofuel such as recycled fryer oil from chippies and restaurants that annoys me – they have to pay to get rid of it and we could drive our cars on it [well the diesels anyway]:you_crazy:you_crazy

    lol yeah crazy. cant remeber if it was pure oil or mixed but like you say its crazy not to let people fill up with it.

    I don’t think its just government or just oil companies though although they are the biggest offenders..

    Tax is (mis)spent on wars to get us cheap oil, and “security considerations” because the wars make people in other countries so angry they train people to go around blowing things up and make everyone more angry and paranoid. A vicious circle.

    Oil companies answer only to the market – but the market is also dictated by consumer demand (that means us!).

    Renewable energy vehicles have been around for over 100 years (mostly electric cars).

    The problem with electric vehicles is that the batteries only last for about 50-100 miles between charge; and until very recently their top speeds were limited. They are still perfectly adequate for local deliveries within towns and IMO more use should be made of them for this purpose

    The “need for speed” / gary boy culture is also still a great driver (no pun intended!) in the current car market. I see loads of people at raves who appear to be only in their late teens with 2.0 litre+ modified vehicles (and later you see them midweek on many message boards moaning about the running costs of such vehicles!)

    Its true that Big Oil companies are holding back on renewable energy cars (especially in the USA where there is less regulation on the market) but at the same time when there less market demand for these why are they as commercial companies going to make the investment? It will need bigger customers (such as corporate vehicle fleets) to produce this demand which is only just happening.

    Also perhaps one reason for increased prices is increased demand of a scarce resource? People travel a lot more these days..

    raj wrote:
    its the lack of biofuel such as recycled fryer oil from chippies and restaurants that annoys me – they have to pay to get rid of it and we could drive our cars on it [well the diesels anyway]:you_crazy:you_crazy

    it is permitted but there is paperwork to sort out, approved manufacturing processes and HMR&C can inspect your plant and vehicles.

    This is because the gary boys and haulage drivers used it merely as a way to evade tax, and used questionable blends of used oil, petroleum based fuels and paraffin which caused more pollution (and even set up plants in residential areas; could have had a mini-buncefield at one the Fire Brigade closed down in East London! (the slick of oil on the pavement outside the place was a bit of a giveaway)

    There’s nothing stopping people setting up biofuel plants if they are prepared to play by the health and safety / environmental protection rules. There was at least one plant in Reading recently – a friend of mine used the fuel in his van and it worked fine…

    with an adaptation it is possible to run the car on straight filtered cooking oil. how much H&S shit do you need to filter used cooking oil for your own use?:you_crazy

    i am talking about just for personal use and only cooking oil – i do think that they could devise an emissions test to put the car through and if it passes you should get to do it yourself:weee:

    but it does seem a terrible waste to not recycle it:hopeless:

    [enjoyed el reg BTW thanks for the tip:devil_wag:devil_wag:devil_wag]

    raj wrote:
    with an adaptation it is possible to run the car on straight filtered cooking oil. how much H&S shit do you need to filter used cooking oil for your own use?:you_crazy

    i am talking about just for personal use and only cooking oil – i do think that they could devise an emissions test to put the car through and if it passes you should get to do it yourself:weee:

    but it does seem a terrible waste to not recycle it:hopeless:

    there is an emmissions test; thats why HMRC make you declare the vehcle reg number (it is put on DVLA computers somewhere so the cops etc know its legitimately running the biofuel)

    the approach you mentioned was exactly what was permitted until very recently (either end of last year or this year!)

    What happened is that the method was published in the Max Power type magazines and loads of garys took the dumbed-down, easy option and just put the oil in unconverted/unaltered diesel engines – causing in some cases greater pollution. I think it became apparent when they started running the engine towards its performance limits to get extra speed…

    The Government eventually got wind of this (HMRC and Defra worked together to ascertain the scale of the problem) and they decided to tighten up the regulations.

    raj wrote:
    with an adaptation it is possible to run the car on straight filtered cooking oil. how much H&S shit do you need to filter used cooking oil for your own use?:you_crazy

    i am talking about just for personal use and only cooking oil – i do think that they could devise an emissions test to put the car through and if it passes you should get to do it yourself:weee:

    but it does seem a terrible waste to not recycle it:hopeless:

    [enjoyed el reg BTW thanks for the tip:devil_wag:devil_wag:devil_wag]

    You can run most older diesels on 50-50 cooking oil (recycled and filtered or fresh from the shops) and diesel with no conversions or fucking about.You are supposed to inform government on this though and they will hit you with a change of use legislation that will up the price of your cooking oil to that of regular diesel :you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy more modern engines need 75% diesel to 25% oil.

    General Lighting wrote:
    there is an emmissions test; thats why HMRC make you declare the vehcle reg number (it is put on DVLA computers somewhere so the cops etc know its legitimately running the biofuel)

    the approach you mentioned was exactly what was permitted until very recently (either end of last year or this year!)

    What happened is that the method was published in the Max Power type magazines and loads of garys took the dumbed-down, easy option and just put the oil in unconverted/unaltered diesel engines – causing in some cases greater pollution. I think it became apparent when they started running the engine towards its performance limits to get extra speed…

    The Government eventually got wind of this (HMRC and Defra worked together to ascertain the scale of the problem) and they decided to tighten up the regulations.

    Re using cooking oil is a dam fine idea untill they crank the tax up on it although like mentioned, can only be used in a converted diesel engine. As for the emissions, if it was bio-fuel it would just have a standard diesel “smoke test”, which is as it sounds, just measuring the smoke value and im sure the cooking oil wouldnt smoke half as much as diesel

    it does seem like there is a disproportionate collective punishment (the increased regulations) because a minority of idiots have been fucking about and not doing things properly – would make more sense to let people use the alternative fuels; but to nick anyone with a polluting vehicle (after all how many normal vehicles are on the road that are badly maintained?)

    anything that reduces demand for overseas oil reduces both environmental damage and the increase of serious global conflict – surely its worth a potential drop in tax revenues?

    that said there is a danger when commercial biodiesel becomes popular it will be gained from the destruction of SE Asian rainforests to plant palm trees

    Its already happening though; how else does a Chinese woman in suburban Malaysia end up with a hybrid wild-cat (half domestic Siamese, half “flat headed cat” wild breed found in rainforests) unless the animals are being forced from their native habitat?

    General Lighting wrote:
    it does seem like there is a disproportionate collective punishment (the increased regulations) because a minority of idiots have been fucking about and not doing things properly – would make more sense to let people use the alternative fuels; but to nick anyone with a polluting vehicle (after all how many normal vehicles are on the road that are badly maintained?)

    anything that reduces demand for overseas oil reduces both environmental damage and the increase of serious global conflict – surely its worth a potential drop in tax revenues?

    that said there is a danger when commercial biodiesel becomes popular it will be gained from the destruction of SE Asian rainforests to plant palm trees

    Its already happening though; how else does a Chinese woman in suburban Malaysia end up with a hybrid wild-cat (half domestic Siamese, half “flat headed cat” wild breed found in rainforests) unless the animals are being forced from their native habitat?

    http://www.homme-moderne.org
    at AAA corp /with SEARCH/(they made theyre own oil on a truck and also have many other truckz).

    a local man in my town was in the national and local papers recently as he made a home made bio diesel plant enough to produce about 35 ltrs a day and then converted his own van with garden shed parts to run on heated up and filtered used cooking oil, he then started from DG* and went all the way arround europe in 3 weeks JUST TO PROVE it cam be done., and he got all his fuel ( used cooking oil ) from resturants that gave it to him for free. in an attempt to raise awareness for this concept… he travled over 1800 miles. on FREE used oil and home made garden parts…

    shows it can be done VERY easilly…

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