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Although upbringing can cause problems I think its also still an individual choice whether to do crime or to commit violence – and most young people do start of with a positive outloook on life…
Yet other crimes are down (including drugs etc) and although I haven’t been here long I think its less rough than many other areas I have lived.
It seems that incidents seem to be mostly young people attacking other young people but this is “normal” fighting rather than mugging as that would be recorded as robbery.
Maybe its because authorities are checking up more on this and perhaps a high school fight that would have been sorted out at school gets the cops involved now – but its still worrying. Compared to my own childhood I do get the impression people are way more prepared to fight – Its as if kids are being pushed beyond their breaking points and lashing out at one another.
Youths committing more violent crime
11 September 2006 | 08:34DANIELLE NUTTALL
Jeremy Pembroke, leader of Suffolk County Council
YOUNG people in Suffolk are committing more violent offences, despite an overall drop in the level of youth crime, it has emerged.
More than 900 “violence against the person” offences were committed by children aged 10 to 17 in the county between April 2005 and March this year – an increase of 4%.
These crimes include offences such as common assault, wounding, assaulting a police officer, threats of violence and grievous bodily harm.
While all violent crime in Suffolk – including offences committed by adults – fell by 2.4% last year, that committed by youths actually rose and was the second highest category of offence committed by children in the county.
But youth crime as a whole dropped 7.6% in 2005-6, according to figures released by Suffolk County Council and the Youth Offending Service.
The total number of crimes committed by children fell from 4,716 in 2004-5 to 4,359 last year.
Jeremy Pembroke, leader of Suffolk County Council, said: “I am very pleased at the reduction in crimes committed by young people this year. All the agencies, including the police and the Youth Offending Service, are making progress and will continue to work hard to keep making Suffolk a safer place.
“Robberies, burglaries, drugs offences and the number of young people breaching orders are all very much down. Motoring and public order offences are significantly reduced, but there is some concern over a rise in violence against the person.
“The Youth Offending Service will continue to prioritise efforts against those crimes which are not being reduced, using approaches including getting disaffected young people involved in positive activity, and working to help them understand and move away from crime at an early stage.
Mr Pembroke added: “More victims are welcoming the opportunity to participate in ‘restorative justice’ schemes. Restorative justice enables victims of crime to contribute to the discussion about what work the young person must carry out to repair the harm done, either directly to the victim or to the wider community.
“The figures are encouraging, but there is very much more work to do.”
Theft and handling accounted for most youth crime committed in Suffolk during 2005-6 and rose by 2% from 945 in 2004-5 to 965.
The number of sexual offences committed by youths rose 16% from 25 to 29 however many other areas of criminality fell including robbery (-36.6%), racially aggravated offences (-64%), motoring offences (-13%), domestic burglaries (-21.1%) and public order offences (-13.7%).
In addition, the number of youths who breached statutory orders or bail fell from 366 to 271 during the last year, which is a drop of 26%.
Chief Inspector Martin Ransome, of Suffolk police, said: “We welcome any fall in crime and are encouraged to see a decrease in the number of offences committed by young people in Suffolk.
“The decrease reflects our continuing work with other agencies to reduce youth offending. However the rise in violence against the person is a contrast in the dip in overall violent crime, which decreased by 2.4% in the year April 2005 and March 2006.
“Reducing violent crime is a priority of Suffolk Constabulary and we will work closely with other agencies to ensure the number of incidents continues to fall and that Suffolk remains one of the safest counties in the country.”
In Denmark there are areas where the violence are worse than others..
We have an area in a city not so far from where i live,ambulences have police escort minimum 2 policecars..Apartments have burned down to the ground becauce the firedepartment dont dare to enter..Policecars allways come in pairs..It is a VERY violent area..
People are frustrated.. parents have made teams to guards the small kids when they are out to play..They have to check the playgroung for glass and needles who have been left by addicts
Its crazy..
I would not want to live there with my kids..Lot of the apartments are owned by the “state” and people,they dont know what to do with,are beeing placed there..Junkies,alcoholic,criminals…it can only go wrong..
I think that kids in an area like this have to fight to “survive”..
Sad but true.
true (and there are some really bad areas of London and Manchester where young teenagers are prepared to use a pistol to settle the smallest disputes) and plenty of housing estates like you describe.
but Suffolk is a more chilled out mostly rural area. There are rough estates in Ipswich and there have been a handful of robberies but it has less total crime than London or other places where I used to live in SE England.
What I find worrying is that its not even crime done to get property – if kids were fighting when stealing stuff or when challenged doing a burglary its recorded as a different type of crime (robbery or aggravated burglary).
This seems to be an increase in violence for the sheer purpose of having some sort of control over others (bullying etc) rather than crimes committed for personal gain; it is a more worrying trend IMO…
We have an area in a city not so far from where i live,ambulences have police escort minimum 2 policecars..Apartments have burned down to the ground becauce the firedepartment dont dare to enter..Policecars allways come in pairs..It is a VERY violent area..
People are frustrated.. parents have made teams to guards the small kids when they are out to play..They have to check the playgroung for glass and needles who have been left by addicts
Its crazy..
I would not want to live there with my kids..Lot of the apartments are owned by the “state” and people,they dont know what to do with,are beeing placed there..Junkies,alcoholic,criminals…it can only go wrong..
I think that kids in an area like this have to fight to “survive”..
Sad but true.
what i find very sad about that is that christiana is being evicted and demolished yet these problems with hard drugs, violence and other crime were almost non-existent there
it’s almost as if the govt were embarressed by their own failings which were highlighted by the success of christiana
A young man was killed at Christiania 2 month ago..
He was trying to sell hash..The dealers there didnt like it and they
attacked him with baseballbats..He is now dead:hopeless:
Lot of the drugs there comes from the 2 biggest bikes clubs in Denmark..
(dont know what else to call them…Maybe scum):yakk: :yakk: :yakk:
They dont like it when strangers are trying to overtake their territory
All he wanted was to sell a bit of hash to get some money for food..:hopeless:
Christania isnt a nice place right now..When i was vacationing in
Copenhagen i was told not to take a camera with me,unless i wanted
to get hurt.:you_crazy :you_crazy
sadly this seem to happens to nearly all the collective enterprises unless (paradoxically) some sort of nanny state authority watches them…
I know the govt changed in DK to conservatives and that there have been more clampdowns on the place but that doesn’t justify violence especially as the justification for this area was that there was less violence….
I agree 100%
But i know from what i have read and seen with my own eyes,that the biggest part of the people who live there are good people,who try very hard to make peace out there..I think that if you take the hard drugs and the police out of Christiania it would be a wonderful place to live..I visited Christania 20 years ago..It was so different then,there was peace and people said hi and how are you,where do you come from,and you didnt get the drugs put in your face when you entered the gate..10 years me and my X was to a Metallica concert in Copenhagen,We went to Christiania to buy some hash..Things had already changed there big time,we were almost jumped by all the drugdealers who wanted to sell us hash,It was very strange..
I dont think that Christiania will survive,and that makes me very sad.
(bad english,hope you understand anyway)
But i know from what i have read and seen with my own eyes,that the biggest part of the people who live there are good people,who try very hard to make peace out there..I think that if you take the hard drugs and the police out of Christiania it would be a wonderful place to live..I visited Christania 20 years ago..It was so different then,there was peace and people said hi and how are you,where do you come from,and you didnt get the drugs put in your face when you entered the gate..10 years me and my X was to a Metallica concert in Copenhagen,We went to Christiania to buy some hash..Things had already changed there big time,we were almost jumped by all the drugdealers who wanted to sell us hash,It was very strange..
I dont think that Christiania will survive,and that makes me very sad.
(bad english,hope you understand anyway)
Yep – I understand what you are getting at…
20 years ago I think people actually did care more about peace because as Europe was under threat of nuclear destruction. (things got very close at several points in the 1980s and it was only because soldiers in both USA and USSR disobeyed orders that no missiles were actually launched!)
Also, many of the people our age who now compete for our jobs were still behind that Iron Curtain, and because of this governments had to be more indulgent of “alternative lifestyles/socities” where people refused to totally integrate into the market society.
But 10 years ago people had become more “dumbed down” and there was less reason also to challenge authority or get involved in politics etc as most people, even young people could get most of what they wanted – party spaces, drugs etc. In England you could walk in and out of various office jobs provided you knew how to work a computer; and then there was the start of the dot-com era. I expect the same happened in Denmark as well. And you could often get away with partying all weekend; half sleeping through the first part of the week at work (or even still being on drugs) but because the economy was in a good state the bosses didn’t realise.
Then about 5 years ago there was the dot-com crash and also the EU opening up to immigrants – not out of “political correctness” or even a desire for equality but simple market forces – cheap labour to drive down wages, and also to put pressure on the “lazy” people in the EU countries.
At the same time many of the “easy” IT/office jobs got outsourced to India and such places because the Internet means computer data can be processed anywhere; and these jobs haven’t come back.
Most of the “hippy” people I know were actually doing this sort of job to get their cash for living rather than anything illegal or even “hippy” occupations such as growing stuff, crafts etc (what is called “yoghurt-weaving” by jokers here).
Others had media or creative jobs but these have also been hit by downsizing. When everyone shows off their art or video for free on youtube; there is less incentive for companies to commission artists or videos (or to pay them amounts which cover the production costs!)
So there is less “spare money” around – people often found themselves in financial problems and are more likely to turn to dealing or scams etc to fund themselves; the criminal element that already exists on the fringes of alternative communities gets boosted, cops and authorities are alerted, see an upsurge in crime and clamp down.
In England some people called Exodus Collective tried a similar experiment to Christiana in the 1990s. It only lasted about 5 years before the bad things happened and it all folded.
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