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  • LONDON (Reuters) – Britain’s prisons are often used as “social dustbins” for drug addicts and the mentally ill and are too crowded to give proper rehabilitation, the most senior judge in England and Wales said on Sunday.
    “It is no answer to put more and more people in prison,” the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Phillips, told the Observer.
    Prison chiefs face an overcrowding crisis after the jail population reached nearly 80,000 this week, with only a few hundred spaces left for new inmates.
    Longer sentences, high reconviction levels and more short jail terms have pushed the numbers to record highs.

    More offenders should be given community-based punishments rather than jail terms, Lord Phillips said.
    “It is madness to spend 37,000 pounds jailing someone when, by spending much less on services in the community, you can do as good a job,” he said.
    The Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, said there was only a “very small number” of vulnerable people who end up in prison because there is no other suitable place for them.
    “Prison needs to be there to protect the public against the most serious … offenders,” he told BBC News 24.
    Lord Phillips donned jeans and a fluorescent jacket to work with offenders clearing rubbish and weeds from an underpass on a rundown housing estate near Milton Keynes to learn about community sentences.
    His experience, which included “pretty foul work”, highlighted how non-custodial punishments can benefit the community and offenders, he said.
    “I like to think that I am a liberal, but that is not the same as being soft on crime. The idea that (using) alternatives to custody is being soft is wrong,” he said.
    His comments come after both main political parties used their annual conferences to stress their tough stance on crime.
    Shadow Home Secretary David Davis attacked “soft sentencing” and said the Conservatives would jail violent offenders rather than give them a “slap on the wrist”.

    Home Secretary John Reid accused the Tories of “talking tough, voting soft” on crime and said the public welcomed Labour’s tougher sentences for murder, violent offences and dangerous driving”.
    However, packing more people into prison can lead to disorder and makes it hard to rehabilitate offenders, Lord Phillips said.
    “Emergency measures of keeping prisoners in police cells are highly undesirable,” he added.
    Another option for freeing up space would be to transfer foreign inmates to their home country to serve their sentence.
    A disused army barracks near Dover in Kent is due to be reopened as an open prison to help ease overcrowding.
    Reid has accepted that moving inmates to open jails could lead to more criminals, according to a confidential note from a prison governor published in the Sunday Times.
    The Prison Reform Trust charity this week urged the government to “stop using prisons as asylums” and said drug addicts should be treated in the community.

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    I think there should definitely be more use of community sentences for addicts and those who commit non-violent crimes..

    OTOH I think the rise in prison numbers is genuinely because there is more crime and more violent crime than even 10 years ago.

    Even the “mental patients” are often in prison because they have hurt someone else.

    I remember seeing some hand wringing a few years ago amongst do-gooders that teenagers picked up by TVP’s “Operation Robbery” were self-harming in jail and they were “mentally ill victims”…..

    OK I’d feel sorry for some teenage raver who has got busted with 500 pills and goes to YOI for their first time; but the youths nicked on Operation Robbery had (as the name suggests) been nicked for taking property off other youths using violence – they do the crime, so they can do the time…

    IME although friends of mine have gone down for daft things like non-payment of traffic fines or minor pill dealing, and I know of people who got fitted up because they were habitually “bending the rules” a lot of people I know who have gone to prison have done so because they have hurt others; either by violence or burgling peoples houses…

    I often hear of fights where someone has beaten the crap out of their rival (to the point of serious injury) in full view of CCTV – the victorious fighter often then make no effort to evade capture; some even turn themselves in. They know they are going to HMP but they don’t care…

    and if people are going to hurt and kill others then they should lose their freedom for years – more recently I’ve noticed the “wannabe gangstas/hard men” are actually getting longer tarrifs like 20-30 years for their murders which seems reasonable in a country without a death penalty.

    I also think manslaughter tarrifs should increase to try and discourage the fighting culture…

    IMO short prison sentences should be to rehabilitate but longer ones are to take away someones youth and age them to the point where they are not capable to reoffend

    OTOH I don’t think all young men are born evil and do this sort of crime for fun; it is when they have lost all hope for their own lives and are living in a prison of their own minds anyway…

    it is perhaps this that society needs to deal with as much as putting people inside…

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