Well I don’t drive..But is it fair ?
Do you talk on the phone whilst driving ?
Stricter penalties for using hand-held mobile phones while at the wheel take effect today.
The fixed-penalty fine for offenders is doubling from £30 to £60.
For the first time, those caught using hand-held mobiles will get three penalty points on their licence.Mobile phones were linked to 13 deaths on the road in 2005. It is thought using a phone while driving makes you four times more likely to crash.
Courts will have the powers to give a maximum fine of £1,000 or £2,500 in the case of a driver of a bus, coach or goods vehicle.
Offenders could even be disqualified from driving.
The AA said the new measures “paled into significance” compared with the threat of jail for causing a fatal crash while using a mobile.
It continued that too few motorists had made the connection between using a mobile and prison terms handed down by courts for causing death by dangerous driving.
The association warned employers needed to impose stricter rules and safer communications for employees on the road to avoid facing charges themselves.
Surveys have found lorry and van drivers to be twice as likely to break the mobile phone law as car drivers.
AA’s road safety spokesman Andrew Howard said: “Police can trace back on phone call records to establish use during a journey that ended in a crash.”
Meredydd Hughes, of the Association of Chief Police Officers, said: “It’s important to remember that 77,000 people have already been fined for driving whilst using their mobile phones, a figure that highlights this offence is policed robustly.”
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The laws seem reasonable, considering drivers have been warned for over a year.
I don’t drive but even when on my bicycle I will stop and find a safer place before I answer or make a call (I don’t like riding one-handed on a busy road!)
When I worked for Britain’s environment ministry our field staff were all issued with hands-free kit in their cars, and even then discouraged from using the phone whilst driving.
The problem is people get distracted by the content of the phone call (particularly if its a stressful business situation) and forget about road safety… it seems too many people think their business deal or sorting out a workplace problem is worth more than human life, theirs or other people on the road..
I completly agree with this! But the thing is they are not going to care, points and a fine! Thats if they get caught….
I think if the police catch them they should be made to drive over thier own mobile phone! Destroying thier mobile will hurt them more than a fine.
Sorry i really hate people who talk on mobile when driving, i ride a motorbike and have nearly been mowed down by these morons for to many time!!
many will just buy (or steal?) another one. After all, they are prepared to risk destroying their car (as well as themselves and others!) in an collision…
What should happen is that the cops and Ofcom should make the mobile companies revoke their number and SIM card records as the phone has been used for illegal purposes. Yes it will hurt businesspeople but thats what it should do as a deterrent..
This is often already done to prostitutes, drug dealers and even pirate radio crews and free party organisers so I don’t think its a disproportionate penalty on those who risk others lives.
What should happen is that the cops and Ofcom should make the mobile companies revoke their number and SIM card records as the phone has been used for illegal purposes. Yes it will hurt businesspeople but thats what it should do as a deterrent..
This is often already done to prostitutes, drug dealers and even pirate radio crews and free party organisers so I don’t think its a disproportionate penalty on those who risk others lives.
Yeah you are right, i mean its not that hard to use a hands free kit! Most mobiles that you buy today have a free bluetooth headset in the box!
One of my friends is really bad for chatting on her mobile whilst driving and it really pisses me off…. she usually does this while driving down the rural country roads in oxford! mention a hands free kit and she is “pffhht i would look like a Tw@t!!!”
:crazy: :crazy: Might explain why her car is so dented
I usually put my phone in the boot of the car to stop me answering it or put it on silent for the same reason. Yes I miss calls but I would rather be safe than sorry 😉
some rules are made to be broken but others are made with good reason.
Drivin whilst talking on a hand-held is bloody dangerous.
Fines and points are practically useless.
Punishment/deterent should entail working a shift with the ambulance crews or in A&E.
Harsh? But effective.
Harsh? But effective.
I agree with you but they would have to be put only on supervised cleaning duties, or you would probably get some psycho tampering with medical equipment out of spite…
i think it’s fair enough. the technology is there, and cheap anough to mean no-one needs to hold the phone to make a call anyway
Good point, that hadn’t occured to me. Must admit was coming from the ‘culprit has to shadow a nurse/paramedic’ rather than ‘do’ stuff.
Up close an personal to a major rta and victims would put the majority into shock, leaving little time/head space for sabotage.
Or am I crediting people with too much emapthy?
Up close an personal to a major rta and victims would put the majority into shock, leaving little time/head space for sabotage.
Or am I crediting people with too much emapthy?
unfortunately I fear so
We now live in a climate where people share the training pics of trauma injuries from RTCs and violence (that are often uploaded to teaching hospitals sites) for “entertainment”, and more and more people, particularly young men in inner cities, have actually seen at first hand the aftermath of road collision injuries and/or violence, but are unfazed by it.
People have also become extremely desensetised to images of gore and destruction because they are so commonplace nowadays, particularly with the war.
Today young men feel that and risky behaviour and/or violence is a “rite of passage”.
Its easy enough to fake apologies as well.
I did read somewhere that people busted for speeding preferred fines/points to going on the course at the old bill where they have to watch films of accidents etc – but I think its more the annoyance that the cops have been able to make them attend the course and take time out of their lives rather than any genuine shock at seeing the films – compared to a fine which can be paid off by direct debit or a 10 min visit to the magistrates…
I still think these criminals should be made to do unpaid work for the NHS as a penalty but only cleaning jobs under extremely strict supervision and monitoring.
Glad the law’s being more stringently policed & fines have gone up.. I still see many people talking on mobiles (held to their ears not hands free) even while going round roundabouts/corners… :-O!!
Not been on my bike for a while – but not looking forward to seeing someone next to me on their mobile – ‘have they seen me/havent they seen me’..
NHS community service work – would be good – especially if they also got to see (personally – not in a picture) the effects of car-crashes while talking on the mobile..
(a friend of ours friend lost her 6 year old boy due to this – driver claimed she “didn’t see them” crossing the road.. the police made her wait while the ambulance crew tried to revive the boy, then took his body away in the ambulance – before she was escorted to the police station – harsh, but may make her think again before speaking on the mobile while driving)
A mate of mine is a bugger for it too – tries to do about 5 things while driving – scares me when I’m in the car with him..
anyhow – beautiful day today what? 🙂
Up close an personal to a major rta and victims would put the majority into shock, leaving little time/head space for sabotage.
Or am I crediting people with too much emapthy?
I read in the paper a week or so ago that a judge had ordered a lad who killed someone (i think it was a driving accident) was made to have a massive picture of the bloke he killed in his home for 3 years so he had a reminder of a life he took :you_crazy Very strange but maybe it would work, would be a bit difficult to explain a huge portrait shot of a bloke being sat in your living room
We now live in a climate where people share the training pics of trauma injuries from RTCs and violence (that are often uploaded to teaching hospitals sites) for “entertainment”, and more and more people, particularly young men in inner cities, have actually seen at first hand the aftermath of road collision injuries and/or violence, but are unfazed by it.
People have also become extremely desensetised to images of gore and destruction because they are so commonplace nowadays, particularly with the war.
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I agree with u re the photos etc and the desensitization/compassion fatigue, but the reportd unfazedness is either lies or self-defence, witnessing violence causes psychological/emotional damage.
Plus seeing footage or being a road side witness is a world away from being part of a professional team trying to save someone’s life.
Get a person away from their friends, their comfort zone, straight and sober and close enough to see, hear and smell, get them involved in helping that real human being, put them in an environment where its safe to show their reaction and i can almost guarante you’ll permanently change their perspective.
i’m not talking about career crims or psychopaths just ur average pillock who uses their mobile whilst driving.
Also regarding ‘morbid’ curiosity. It’s not BAD to be curious about what people look like when they’re dead, disfigured etc. The medical profession has stolen death away from people. What is more natural than dying? But how many people nowadays have been with somebody at that stage of their life?
In modern times, in this country, most of us never see death etc so it is entirely natural to be curious. The fact that it’s taboo makes it all the more fascinating. Once you’ve seen it it ceases to become titillating.
And young men of today are no different to men at any other point. Testosterone has always led to rights of passage, pain, fear, danger, disgust. It’s simply a new interpretation. I’m not saying i like it but . . .
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