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March 21, 2007 at 1:36 pm

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General Lighting

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anyone noticed how the most recently popular drugs are now from “legit” pharmaceutical formularies?
- ketamine
- nitrous oxide
- piperazine based stimulants
It almost seems like the “prohbiitionists last stand”; its as if they know they might lose the war so are trying to push people towards drugs that the big corporate pharmaceutical companies could easily make, (plus they aren’t as good and they hope it would make drugs culture less attractive)

OTOH the authorities are still keeping up the pressure on the “better” recreational drugs such as MDMA… (I’ve noticed that now in some areas they are busting the crack dealers and the vietnamese cannabis factories, the cops are now starting to hammer the party drugs dealers)…

a bit like the same shit they tried to kill alternative culture with heroin in the 1980s, but done a bit more subtly and with a bit more knowledge (as if these “new drugs” have been picked to slowly destroy the party social networks without too much extra cost to the NHS for pickign up the casualties)
March 21, 2007 at 4:48 pm

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classbhero

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that man seems very much to be a conspiracy theory….A. pharm companies can make any drugs they want with little problems…. if u can make ketamine u can make mdma…..hmmm i dunno… also i dont think smack was introduced to destroy drug culture… i think it was introduced by gangs to make money…. big money… and i bet it did / does….piperazines are good for partys…. as long as you take ginger…. nothing bad about em at all really …. except the hangover… dont think it can break down the party people/culture….. hmm i dunno but i think u may be being paraaaaanoieedd..
March 21, 2007 at 4:57 pm

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665

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hmm i dunno but i think u may be being paaanoieedd.

Geting older,you’ll see that all your worst paranoid nightmares are far beyond reality.The only way to survive is to become so cynical that you’ll scare your nightmares.Listen to the Old Dude…:groucho:
March 21, 2007 at 5:07 pm

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General Lighting

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.hmmm i dunno… also i dont think smack was introduced to destroy drug culture…

its not the drug culture smack was intended to destroy (you can’t destroy drug culture with more drugs!) but the alternative societies, the travellers, squatters etc…

a lot of people on site at the time or involved with the squat/punk scene recall cops busting cannabis dealers hard but leaving heroin dealers alone, this led to the travellers being reduced in strength and morale around the time of Battle of the Beanfield (1985). I’ve heard this from several sources, not just websites but older hippy/punk/anarchists who were around at the time…

There are rumours also that this was tried again in the early 1990s to break spiral tribe etc..

By this point I begin to wonder if that was just a simple lack of self control (why repeat the mistakes of the past?), but conservatives know that lack of self control is a weapon that can be used against hedonists.

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nothing bad about em at all really …. except the hangover…

maybe – but I’ve done it once and the hangover is nasty!

also as piperazines become illegal lots of people are making their remaining supplies into pills and selling these “pills” as MDMA for the same prices.

Now although it may not be too bad a substance if done in the right dosage – if people stack pills like they would with MDMA pills (especially as they contain less MDMA than before) they are gonna get ill

Also even if they “work” these piperazines don’t provide the same empathy of MDMA that brought the rave scene together and in some cases they even seem to produce angry/psychotic reactions (particularly MCPP)

What I am getting at is that due to both enforcement and market forces, it seems that these drugs are ousting the original party drugs (such as MDMA) in some groups, and as the price levels are the same its becoming but the risk is less to dealers it means those motivated by profit are increasingly selling the “newer” drugs rather than the “better” drugs.

Amongst some of my circle of friends I know lots of people who gave up pills as they “can’t handle them any more” but will happilly do horrendous amounts of ketamine :you_crazy

Perhaps in this case its not a conspiracy as such but maybe a coincidence exacerbated by the binge culture in this country – maybe people like stuff like ket and balloons simply because they can cane more before they become ill…

it might be hard to explain my worries but I think people are “doing more but getting less” out of these new party drugs..
March 21, 2007 at 5:11 pm

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classbhero

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oh well….. poo poo to them then…. im not gonna loose my mdma my mushrooms but ket is wicked….. and some of the ‘newer’ drugs like 2c-i, AMT, etc…. are much better than the old ones but no one seems to ‘deal’ them like other drugs…. ppl just need to control their intake of things….. i dunno fook it … lets wait n see what happens to drugs over the next twenty years… then we shall hook up and compair notes.
March 21, 2007 at 5:25 pm

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665

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There are rumours also that this was tried again in the early 1990s to break spiral tribe etc but by this point I begin to wonder if that was just a simple lack of self control (why repeat the mistakes of the past?)

’cause Time seems to be a loop!!!

To go further into the past,same things seems to have happend earlier,into the 60’s political activts “scene”,turned to zombie hippies in the 70’s by Heroin abuse.

The number of people concerned could have been dangerous for the State:loads of them have been turned to lazy junkies ,no more able to act for changing the world…

And remember the Opium War in China:Europeans(not to say Britons) tried to turn Chinese to Opium slaves,in order to make huge money while stealing the power…

Paranoid? Not really…
March 21, 2007 at 5:28 pm

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General Lighting

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665 wrote:

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And remember the Opium War in China:Europeans tried to turn Chinese to Opium slaves,in order to make huge money while stealing the power…

which is actually why even today there are such harsh anti-drugs penalties in SE Asian countries like Malaysia and Singapore….
April 30, 2007 at 11:03 pm

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You hit the nail on the head m8, GL
May 6, 2007 at 9:04 am

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party on

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665 wrote:

’cause Time seems to be a loop!!!

To go further into the past,same things seems to have happend earlier,into the 60’s political activts “scene”,turned to zombie hippies in the 70’s by Heroin abuse.

The number of people concerned could have been dangerous for the State:loads of them have been turned to lazy junkies ,no more able to act for changing the world…

And remember the Opium War in China:Europeans(not to say Britons) tried to turn Chinese to Opium slaves,in order to make huge money while stealing the power…

Paranoid? Not really…

my parents have always held the view that drugs are allowed to enter the country to keep us all quiet and not fighting about the things that we should be shouting about ..

can see there point really .

drugs like smack etc etc are allowed into our country by the powers that be (cause lets face it to import drugs etc you need plenty of money to set it up i the first place ) then there distributed to folk who redistribute them to the punter who then becomes subdued by the drug and there battles won

personally i dont think paranoia enters the equation .as if you just sit back and think and look you can see it happening on a daily basis

people think doing drugs frees the mind but personally i think its just a distaction from the real horrors of life set up by the goverment to blind you from the truth
(this comes form a drug user of 20 + years)

party on raaa
May 8, 2007 at 7:36 pm

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fruitisbad

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i’d heard that the government were introducing k to the rave scene so that no one would be able to organise raves anymore
May 8, 2007 at 9:12 pm

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Ruff Beat Provider

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fruitisbad wrote:

i’d heard that the government were introducing k to the rave scene so that no one would be able to organise raves anymore
:laugh_at: :laugh_at:
May 8, 2007 at 11:38 pm

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:weee:

Ruff Beat Provider wrote:

:laugh_at: :laugh_at:

Nah it’s plausible. Ket is a good clinical model for schizophrenia (although it’s never been proven that schizophrenia boils down to chemicals).

Don’t get mad, get even??

or don’t get even, get mad :you_crazy ??

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http://www.ketamine.com/schizohypoth.html

In healthy subjects, ketamine produces: 1) positive* symptoms of psychosis, such as illusions, thought disorder and delusions; 2) negative* symptoms similar to those associated with schizophrenia including blunted emotional responses, emotional detachment, and psychomotor retardation; 3) cognitive impairments

* Positive means “treatable” symptoms.
Negative means less treatable social problems, stuff you can’t medicate for.
May 8, 2007 at 11:44 pm

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665 wrote:

’cause Time seems to be a loop!!!

To go further into the past,same things seems to have happend earlier,into the 60’s political activts “scene”,turned to zombie hippies in the 70’s by Heroin abuse.

Time is definitely cyclic mate, or more like, spyral-like (spyralic? :yakk: ), because the loop’s drawing tighter, trends are repeating themselves quicker, everything’s getting faster and higher-paced, it’s all converging.
May 11, 2007 at 2:13 pm

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General Lighting

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Space Master wrote:

:weee:

or don’t get even, get mad :you_crazy ??

well excessive K use has fucked over a lot of the motivation and organisational skills of free party crews in the last 4-5 years or so….

it does make me wonder sometimes, although the system’s devious tricks are only one half of the equation

we still to an extent all have our free choices and the chance to regulate our own usage…
May 12, 2007 at 4:24 pm

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tarifa

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General Lighting wrote:

it does make me wonder sometimes, although the system’s devious tricks are only one half of the equation

we still to an extent all have our free choices and the chance to regulate our own usage…

Conspiracy’s so big it can’t be seen, in which case there’s no point in worrying about it.

Doesn’t mean you should dismiss it.

Governments have always been involved with the drugs trade.

In this day and age television’s the ketamine of the masses.

I’m with GL – self-responsibilty. Educate yourself, don’t take things at face value.

I’m not arguing for hard bitterness and cynicism but being open minded is a good starting point, don’t judge but do be ready and willing to question.
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