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  • Definitely looks like the end of Norfolk’s “tolerance” of parties..

    incidentally HMRC have a lower “burden of proof” for their investigations. The Police have only been around (in their present form) since 1823 or so.

    HMRC were set up in 1066..

    Minister backs police over rave riot

    07 September 2007 05:52

    Home secretary Jacqui Smith last night called for a “robust response” to mass public disorder like the Yarmouth riots – on the same day that ravers responsible for the violence were let off with fines by magistrates.

    Ms Smith praised the “measured” reaction of Norfolk police to the rave-related trouble in Yarmouth last month. Speaking at a Westminster engagement, she rejected Tory leader David Cameron’s claims that there was “anarchy in the UK” but said “we need to have a very robust response” to such incidents.

    She also endorsed the response of Norfolk police authority chairman Stephen Bett who had earlier insisted “we are not tolerating this sort of behaviour at all, and we are going to meet it aggressively”.

    Meanwhile force insiders remain confident that further arrests will be made as they hunt the event’s ringleaders.

    Yesterday, five ravers who were part of the 100-strong mob which threw bottles, swore at police and made obscene gestures pleaded guilty to disorderly behaviour at Yarmouth Magistrates’ Court.

    But the group escaped with fines totalling less than £900, despite magistrate Angie Scott telling the court: “The town needs to be protected against this kind of behaviour – in fact the whole county needs to be protected.”

    Mr Bett said he could not comment on the sentences handed out but pledged that the police would be exploring all possible avenues to bring those responsible to account.

    He added that details of those convicted and others suspected of involvement in raves would be passed to Inland Revenue to investigate their income from such illegal parties.

    “I am pleased that the Home Office is taking notice of how Norfolk deals with crime and perhaps if it did so more often policing in this country would be much more effective,” Mr Bett said.

    “We will continue to do everything possible to stop this nonsense once and for all and are exploring all possible ways in which this can be done.

    “One option is to collaborate more closely with the fire service and the health and safety executive because often, on occasions when police powers aren’t sufficient to close down raves, they have other powers which can be used.

    “But also we are looking at ways in which we can target those who run these raves such as passing their details to Inland Revenue and Customs and Exercise. This will be in addition to pursuing them through the courts and should hit them in the pockets.

    “Everybody who comes into this county to organise these events will be photographed and will have their details circulated so that every course of action open to us can be taken.”

    At the time of the riots Mr Bett said the police operation had been handled brilliantly, and he congratulated the officers for disproving the rave organisers’ belief that “mob intimidation was going to win the day”.

    Ms Smith also said that the government was continuing to keep an eye on the laws and procedures covering raves “to see if there is something more we need to do”.

    Well they didnt seem to be clamping down on this weekend just gone!

    The cops turned up at the party and told the organisers that the party could go on and there were no complaints what so ever!

    They even told us to hav a phat party and clear up all the mess afterwards!!

    raaa

    Fuck i love norfolk!

    TBH if a rave is in a remote location with no complaints from neighbours and when people don’t throw stuff at the cops thats less “crime” – but I suspect what the cops are doing is the “friendly bobby” act whilst at the same time filming everything using cameras in their patrol vehicles..

    In another post you mentioned they “drove straight up to the stack” which to me suggests there was at least one camera in the car, and what they were doing was trying to get a decent picture of it.

    Norfolk cops do come across as more “lenient” compared to Suffolk but I’ve notice that the patrol cars which do arrive often tend to be the big Volvo estates from Traffic division which have CCTV equipment.

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    “Everybody who comes into this county to organise these events will be photographed and will have their details circulated so that every course of action open to us can be taken.”

    Cops are not always going to have sufficient “muscle” to stop a party by force (apparently a normal weekend in Yarmouth takes up a lot of resources due to pissheads fighting!) and they can’t always guarantee backup from Suffolk and Essex which have their own crime hotspots – but if they were “letting it go” they would just stay at the entrance rather than drive towards a potentially hostile crowd.

    That said, all of us on this forum must have been photographed at least once at a rave, and ravers are more often judged by the company they keep and what they get up to in wider life than mere attendance at a rave (which isn’t yet illegal!)

    If people, even those in crews, don’t do other crimes such as thieving, anti-social behaviour, have some sort of legitimate day job and have a modest sized rig its extremely difficult for cops or any other investigators to argue that they are funding the raves by illegal means.

    Its a lot easier for the ravers to claim that they are otherwise decent people who have only broken the law because of a lack of legal venues (there has in fact been a clampdown on licensed raves since the 1990s)

    OTOH when the authorities encounter people who are unemployed who have obtained thousands of pounds worth of sound equipment which they seem prepared to risk for an illegal party, they automatically suspect it is funded by some sort of crime (usually drug dealing or other scams).

    that seems likely to be true

    Oops, misread

    “Everybody who comes into this county to organise these events will be photographed and will have their details circulated so that every course of action open to us can be taken.”

    as “country”, thought the desperate fucks were throwing the immigrant card in too as well as the fact you are all obviously funding your anti western lifestyle with your repetative ways, raping small butterflies and selling CAKE!!!

    this weekend there was a murder in Suffolk, which would have taken up the time of perhaps 10-20 police officers to deal with both the scene watch and the arrest of the suspect.

    All of this happened early Sunday AM which would have meant that Suffolk would not have been able to provide as much backup as on a “quieter” weekend, and if the were no complaints it doesn’t make sense to stir up things when there isn’t backup to deal with it!

    Its still a bit of a lottery holding unlicensed raves (unless crews really know the terrain/land well and have some support from the neighbours) as you never know when/if the cops are going to be heavy. Having a sensible crowd does help but in any larger crowd there can always be bad elements, and stubbornness doesn’t help, particularly if an area has been used before.

    General Lighting wrote:
    That said, all of us on this forum must have been photographed at least once at a rave, and ravers are more often judged by the company they keep and what they get up to in wider life than mere attendance at a rave (which isn’t yet illegal!)

    Just a side-note to this discussion, do any of you get really pissed off/paranoid and cover your face when cops take photo’s of you for doing nothing wrong? They photograph everyone near the stadium at Town games, and generally I pull my scarf over my face and put my hood up, simply because I am watching footy, not doing shit.

    It pisses the coppers right off, though.

    TBH “normal” surveillance doesn’t bother me as its part of life since I was a kid, private sector retail businesses started using CCTV and covert surveillance in the 1970s or maybe even the 1960s, long before the public sector could afford it, and there was surprisingly little whinging about this.

    Companies don’t spend money for fun and video equipment was very pricey until the 1980s so there must have been a lot of losses from shoplifting to make these systems that popular.

    Back then the cops would have still taken photos of the footy stadium but used an SLR with a long lens, perhaps hiding amongst the Press photographers or other vantage points.

    It might seem intrusive to people with decent morals who are only attending the football match for legitimate reasons, but hooligans caused a lot of shit 20-30 years ago, including feeding racial hatred and starting up a lot of rogue security “firms” that made things quite unpleasant for the first set of rave promoters. They IMO are as much to blame as the cops/government for the surveillance society.

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