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by that i mean islamofascists but any other religion or religous threat goes just fine in here too.
lets talk instead of bashing. {and this is a poltical discusion}
so, what could be done? they are building mosques around europe, last plan what i’ve heard is one giant one in england for 12000 people, straight next to 2012 olympic stadium. funded by saudi arabia and that “religious” message is mostly from there too. basicly how i see this, it is just one place to convert english people in islam: part of they’re plan in war against western civilization.
situation here is, that when you try to seriously talk about this, it is allways silenced because “islam is religion of peace” and because “all of muslims are not like that”. pretty soon during that conversation you are labeled as neo-nazi and “you are just spreading that right-wing propaganda”. for same reasons it is very hard to do anything or even prepare cause this is so touchy topic that even politicians are kissin theyre ass, all because of votes.
spreading religion is ok, especially if its peacefully religion. still with this one, i just cant trust that message.
they are converting people around europe and in states, building more mosques and having more “peacefully” and “harmless” training camps, latest what i’ve heard was near malmö, sweden.
so, what could be done and what would YOU do about this?
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Peorsonly i’m not to fond of islam as i recon its an oppresive, biggoted and agresive religion. I dont bother to argue why as like you’ve said you get branded a neo-nazi ect ect. Its not a very progresive opinion but I dont find Islam at all progresive eather.
i reckon the reason islam is that way is cos its modern strongholds are in middle eastern less developed countries, i’m sure at one point catholicism n shit was just as bad
yea the roman catholic church was as bad at one time but it now fits in with modern weston society. if islam tryed to fit in more to western society it could work but it needs its modrates to take over which will never happen.
i wudnt say never
i think it’ll take time
30 years go the IRA claimed they would carry on fighting till they got what they wanted
now they are fuck all, reduced to petty drug deals and punishment beatings, the real ira is tiny and infriltrated by intelligence anyway.
i think it’ll take time
30 years go the IRA claimed they would carry on fighting till they got what they wanted
now they are fuck all, reduced to petty drug deals and punishment beatings, the real ira is tiny and infriltrated by intelligence anyway.
and yr reason to bring this up, are you saying us Irish are the same, as im scratching my head why you wrote that post
all this every boils down to in my opinion is one simple fact
religion is lies
therefore im not gonna waste my time arguin with muslims/christians/jews etc about something that isnt actaully true to start with
its like arguin with a kid that santa isnt real
i think it’ll take time
30 years go the IRA claimed they would carry on fighting till they got what they wanted
now they are fuck all, reduced to petty drug deals and punishment beatings, the real ira is tiny and infriltrated by intelligence anyway.
I’m from a Irish protestant family from the Waterside in London/Derry I’ve seen the positive and negative of both comunitys. It got to the stage where neather side could celibrate there cultures without getting bricks, petrol bombs and even bombs launched at them.
because it was the best example i could think of as progress
dont worry you wont have to stand defendin ur irishness
also its to do with religion and politics, which the current terrorism is too
Well I’m just going by tolerance or to tolerate as meaning “to allow the existence, presence, practice, or act of something without prohibition or hindrance; permit.”
I see it as, obviously I cannot stop (and wouldnt anyhow) an individual of different faith from practicing their religion. Even though I disagree and do think that they are going to suffer for their faith, doesnt mean I wish that upon them and am filled with hate towards them or theirs. And yeah, thats what turn a lot of people off to Christianity and other religions with a set in stone “right and wrong” philosophy. I have often heard “How can you believe in a just God when he would send someone who lived a better life than many Christians, such as Ghandi, to hell?” And sure, I can see the logic in that, but then the point of Christ and the Bible is not to be a perfect individual, just like the purpose of Hindu and Buddism isnt being perfect, its about striving to be that person, and specifically for Christianity realizing that you are not perfect and need to be forgiven. It is nothing that you DO or DONT do that sends you to heaven or hell, its about understanding the way things are, and then acting upon them. Im sure youre familiar with the whole “forgivness thing.”
So when I would say to someone who asks me if I think they are going to hell, I dont just say, “yeah yer a gonner”, rather I would say “Yes, I do but that isnt set in stone, and I dont believe hell is inevitable” then I would explain that I dont think they’re going to hell because I hate them, or I think that I am the cats pajamas and everyone else is gonna burn. But rather that I believe that there is a way OUT, and that I would highly suggest them looking into it if they are so inclined.
When I say that, it takes the “fuck you bitch yer gonna burn!” attitude out of the situation, and instead brings an easier less confrontational realization to the table, while still maintaining that yes, I do actually think you’ll go to hell. I think this is a common way of approaching the situation, and personally I havnt seen much prejudice rise from it. But there certainly is a number of people that just get instantly bitter when they realize that some people think they are going to hell.
Thats not how I feel about the issue, and I dont really think its a common mindset. Especially when Christians are trying to “go out and be a light unto the world.” A Christian isnt worried about being sent to hell for being around the actions of others, as there is crime and moral decay all over and is unavoidable. The whole idea is to reach the people that are least likely to ever consider God in the first place, there for Christians are quite often found with people that otherwise are non-believers that are participating in things that a religious person would not. There are lots of mentions in the Bible about how Jesus was criticized for hanging out with Prostitutes, addicts and other scum. And he would explain that “preaching to the choir” accomplishes nothing and you should go to the unbelievers and pagans in hopes of talking to them and explaining your side of life.
This type of “spread the word” tactic, is what historically has gotten many religious people killed and persecuted, because the Christians would go into the public arena and speak. Then through hearing them, many people would convert.
But there are many isolationist religions that do give the PISS OFF AND DIE to others.
Not to spread disschord amongst different religions, but yeah I would say that the Mormons have had some amazingly baffling changes of heart in the short time they have been around.
I know one of the major reasons that the Union had been pushing for the abolition of slavery was due to pre-existing verses in the Bible, saying that all men were equal before God, so in that case the Bible predated the change of heart. But Mormons follow the “Book of Mormon” which is in a world of its own. I dont know much about it, so I cant really talk. But I wonder if they ever had texts reading that blacks suck and multiple women rock. Even more interesting would be if it was EDITED at one point.
I consider all organised hierarchical religions (perhaps other than Buddhism and the Society of Friends) to be a threat to freedom.
I’m British Asian but was brought up initially as Roman Catholic, but at one point attended a C of E prep school, and have friends and acquaintances who practice various other religions. I am very well aware of the social control tactics used by many religions.
Not every religious activist takes “direct action”. just because their followers don’t want to openly convert you or even blow you up doesn’t mean they aren’t doing things a bit more subtlly. Many, particularly those from middle or upper classes have money and use that money for their campaigns
Rich conservative Saudis may fund a mosque and but Christian people will often also use their power to link up with other conservative types and exert social control via the commercial market.
for instance many have successfuly encouraged censorship of commercial telly in the USA by product boycotts and complaint letters to advertisers. in the USA they have also taken direct violent action against places providing abortion etc.
In Denmark the Christian right destroyed the ungdomshuset social centre using the power of the so-called “free market”
Even in Britain they have managed to get companies to withdraw film/TV sponsorship (acting via lobby groups).
there appears to be a wing of the Church of England (it may in fact even be a “link up” of all religious groups) devoted to identifying and “helping” young drug users or other youths they consider to have “lost their way”. A lot of the anti-drugs groups (if not openly religious) are funded by Middle England Christian types.
OK they may genuinely do some good but they are also subtly introducing their agendas. Even the seemingly “moderate” Christian religious types have agendas of social control – read the bible and you will see many reference to sheep and flocks. you are viewed as the sheep…
Organised religion of all kind is on the decline in the western world! But the followers of all religions are becoming more hard line and millitant!
Religion is a load of shit. Each one was made up however many years ago by a few “followers” as a way of ESCAPISM, then more people began to “believe” and its all blown up, subsequently leading to most wars and trouble in some way .
People use other things now to escape the real world such as alcohol, drugs and casual sex. which is why religion just seems so unbelievable.
heres an example
a friend of mine got his missus pregnant and she had to have an abortion (they just weren’t ready or able to support that child)
they got proper harrassed outside the clinic by Christian activists
everyone involved (both the couple and the bullies) was white english people. this was in broad daylight in West London and no coppers stopped it from happening (when the girl was clearly distressed and they had waited to stalk the couple)
the god squad had also deliberately picked older people (middle aged/pensioners) so the lad wouldn’t have easily been able to give them a slap (as much as he wanted to) without him getting arrested and fined or HMP and his life fucked up even more
bastards…
a friend of mine got his missus pregnant and she had to have an abortion (they just weren’t ready or able to support that child)
they got proper harrassed outside the clinic by Christian activists
everyone involved (both the couple and the bullies) was white english people. this was in broad daylight in West London and no coppers stopped it from happening (when the girl was clearly distressed and they had waited to stalk the couple)
the god squad had also deliberately picked older people (middle aged/pensioners) so the lad wouldn’t have easily been able to give them a slap (as much as he wanted to) without him getting arrested and fined or HMP and his life fucked up even more
bastards…
i’m not a big fan on abortion duno why i’m abit pro life but thats me. i wouldnt forse my views on anyone else so in that respect i’m pro choice but i do tell people who ask that i’m not a big fan of abortion.
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