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June 16, 2008 at 8:42 pm

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i know i’m thick and a pain in the ass but i realy need to get things sorted.

its taken a week to get a little knowlage in wires. i now know that the white wire thats in one cabe is live and the black one is newtral. i’ve now decided to sack wireing it to an xlr coz its to complicated to learn without someone sat here showing me so i’m wireing it to a jack as i’m a jack to speekon short.

can someone tell me whare to put live and where to put newtral on a jack plug. its only 2 wires in this cable.

also in my last thread eldtaro said something about signal cables whats the diffrence (without going into great lectures) between signal cables and the ones we plug into our speakers n stuff?

i’m sorry for not understanding stuff so quickly and being a pain. i learn stuff from trial n error and practiacl understanding i dont know like lecture stuff and big words n numbers.
June 16, 2008 at 9:17 pm

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Did this site that i put up on the XLR thread not show diagram for Jack (TRS) as well?

http://www.mediacollege.com/audio/connection/xlr-jack-mono.html
June 16, 2008 at 10:03 pm

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Acidfairy;222617 wrote:

Did this site that i put up on the XLR thread not show diagram for Jack (TRS) as well?

http://www.mediacollege.com/audio/connection/xlr-jack-mono.html

yea but it dont say owt about 2 wires and black n white wires. and it dont say owt about whats live n whats newtral.

when i used that for xlr i got it wrong n eldotaro was abit anoyed with me.

i need someone to say black n white wires are this one live this one newtral you put white/live on this or that ands black/newtral on this or that….

thats how i need to learen…..
June 17, 2008 at 6:47 am

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If the white is live and the black neutral, you need to wire the white to the tip connector of the jack, and the black to the sleeve (the main part of the plug where the tension relieving crimp is).

Or if you want to go back and use XLR

Looking from the rear of the plug where the cable will go in:

connect white to number 2, and black to number 1 as above.
June 17, 2008 at 7:21 am

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noname;222651 wrote:

If the white is live and the black neutral, you need to wire the white to the tip connector of the jack, and the black to the sleeve (the main part of the plug where the tension relieving crimp is).

Or if you want to go back and use XLR

Looking from the rear of the plug where the cable will go in:

connect white to number 2, and black to number 1 as above.

thats what i done the other day and was told it was wrong.

thanks for that.
June 17, 2008 at 8:01 am

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Nope – you got it right… Black is -ve or neutral, and goes to pin 1 (which is always earth on an XLR), white is +ve or signal and goes to pin 2.

Pin 3 is only used for balanced lines, and is the inverted version of the +ve signal – they are generally termed hot and cold then to save confusion between the common ground pin 1 and the -ve pin 3.

When it comes down to it though, as long as ALL the speaker cables for the rig are wired the same, it wouldn’t matter if you got them mixed up. As long as they’re all in the same phase (ie all wired back to front) it will sound fine…

Will stop waffling now :wink:. Good luck at the Portugal Tec btw – have a good 1 raaaraaaraaa
June 17, 2008 at 1:09 pm

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the jack one does the live + go into the centre ‘hole’ ?
June 17, 2008 at 1:19 pm

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yep..

on a two way jack the “tip” of the jack is live

the “ring” (the bit behind the insulator) is neutral

if its any consolation all the wire colours for everything, signal/control cables, AC power, DC power, telecoms earth all got changed recently and sometimes it is proper confusing even to me…
June 17, 2008 at 2:12 pm

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General Lighting;222688 wrote:

yep..

on a two way jack the “tip” of the jack is live

the “ring” (the bit behind the insulator) is neutral

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your getting abit complicated there mate…
June 17, 2008 at 2:19 pm

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when you unscrew the barrel there are two solder connectors on the jack plug.

A short one which goes to the centre of the plug, and a longer one which has a horseshoe shaped curved end is outside this.

(incidentally slide the barrel on to the cable if you have already put the XLR on it, as its easy to forget this stage)

the short one is the tip. It goes to the tip of the plug end. solder the white cable to here

the longer one (with the curved bit which acts like a cable clamp) is the ring. solder the black cable to here.
June 17, 2008 at 7:35 pm

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General Lighting;222694 wrote:

when you unscrew the barrel there are two solder connectors on the jack plug.

A short one which goes to the centre of the plug, and a longer one which has a horseshoe shaped curved end is outside this.

(incidentally slide the barrel on to the cable if you have already put the XLR on it, as its easy to forget this stage)

the short one is the tip. It goes to the tip of the plug end. solder the white cable to here

the longer one (with the curved bit which acts like a cable clamp) is the ring. solder the black cable to here.

theres one long one, a hole in the middle and a shorter tab on the jack. i’m still lost.

the black wire goes to the long one. now where does the live go? does it go to the hole in the middle? or the shorter tab.

6 days later and still no cable. if people use laymans terms and stop complicating things with explinations i might of got em wired up on day 1. lol

no disrespect GL your not helping with your explainin stuff i just need to know where wires go not what they do….
June 17, 2008 at 7:54 pm

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the problem is there are more than one kind of these plugs
without actually seeing it noone can give you a 100% definite explanation and we are all trying to make it as simple as possible

I would say the white one goes to the shorter connector, and usually that the “hole” is actually connected to this

can you put up a picture of this plug?
June 17, 2008 at 8:53 pm

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Live is the tip, sleeve is earth or neutral, ignore the ring for a TRS [stereo jack] which is the one with 3 solder/wire connectors you are likely to have AHC.
You can check which is which bit of the jack/soldering point with a multi meter
[my ones are shortest=tip and longest/tallest = sleeve which I believe is fairly standard, ignore the middle sized post]
June 17, 2008 at 8:53 pm

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General Lighting;222773 wrote:

the problem is there are more than one kind of these plugs
without actually seeing it noone can give you a 100% definite explanation and we are all trying to make it as simple as possible

I would say the white one goes to the shorter connector, and usually that the “hole” is actually connected to this

can you put up a picture of this plug?

i think i’m just going to burn the wire for scrap and buy new its turned out to be more hastle than its worth. i’ve wasted 6 days trying to get an answer of where to put 2 wires onto 2 of 3 places. so far i know where to put the newtral wire on a jack.

i still aint got a clue what i’m going to do with my crossover, i’m still abit woryed about plugging xlrs into the back of it in case i get them the wrong way round coz i’ve no idea what side + & – go into amps n crossovers.

it seems with sound equipment they the makers seem to think everyone who buys such stuff will know these things so they dont give you any info. unless you have people in the know around you your fucked.

burnt wire is £3 a kilo
June 17, 2008 at 8:59 pm

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General Lighting

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its not that straightforward because of all the different types of plugs, wires etc.

It can’t be and won’t be because none of the companies what make technical equipment – anything – rigs, hi fi, computers, telecoms agree on the connectors and pinouts, especially as they or other companies often make money on selling the connectors and cables.

is there absolutely no one round your way or in Manchester you can even pay to make the cables up for you?

seriously if you can’t find people in your crew to do this you will run into a lot of problems, and you are better off giving up or selling the rig to the youths.

as you’ve done some work on the speakers you could probably get more on it on ebay than what you paid for the kit from Dan or anyone else

Even the ketamine addled youths of East Anglia somehow manage to get their kit wired up…
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