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COPIED FROM THE GROUP : Save live music – Stop form 696 – Stop bureaucracy killing off live music.
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A new piece of bureaucracy will force licensees to reveal a mass of information about performers.
Publicans and managers of other small venues are forced to comply with a new piece of bureaucracy called Form 696
The form demands that licensees give police a mass of detail, including the names, aliases, private addresses and phone numbers of all musicians and other performers appearing at their venue, and the ethnic background of the likely audience. Failure to comply could mean the loss of a licence or even a fine and imprisonment.
It applies in 21 London boroughs, but professionals in the music business fear that if it becomes accepted, it will be copied in other cities.
These new rules will make putting on live bands next to impossible for most small venues. An ‘open mic’ night could not happen under such rules. Please join this group to protest against form 696 and new bureaucracy which could kill off live music in London and potentially the whole UK.
Feargal Sharkey (singer of Teenage Kicks) is campaiging against the new rules – see below for more details.
Please sign the petition on the 10 Downing Street website against 696.
See here: http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Scrapthe696/SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS. THIS IS A POLICE STATE IN FULL-SWING!
JOIN THE GROUP, SIGN THE PETITION AND DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO STOP THIS LEGISLATION.
THIS IS NOT ON!
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=716473372#/group.php?gid=40940825727&ref=mf
peace and unity!
this is totally wong imo.
i posted something about this before and it is total bollocks, especially this bit..”The form demands that licensees give police a mass of detail, including the names, aliases, private addresses and phone numbers of all musicians and other performers appearing at their venue,” what gives them the right to know this and for what possible reason can they give that they need to know these details?
but i fail to see how joining a stupid facebook group is going to make the slightest bit of differance. Id also like to know how effective that Govermentpetition website is? i mean has it ever stopped anything happening? Ive signed them before, but does it actualy achieve anything? People can say im being apathetic or whatever, but i am almost resiging myself to the fact that our government is gonna do what the fuck it likes regardless of what anyone says.
Also do these online things actually give people the illusion that they are doing something when in actual fact all they are doing is clicking a mouse while sat on there arse, not actually doing much…
Not aimed at you btw damo, just not a fan of facebook and have wondered about those govpetition websites for a while…
I know signing the petition will not make the slightest bit of difference(when does the goverment ever listen to anything we say)
i was just posting this to see if anyone else had heard anything about this.
Also do these online things actually give people the illusion that they are doing something when in actual fact all they are doing is clicking a mouse while sat on there arse, not actually doing much…
:laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:
True it makes me wonder about these people sometimes…
(For the record i didn’t sign the petition)
yep I heard of this and already Suffolk follow the Met in doing something called “safe and sound” because of the Zest shootings, thats why you have all that hassle with loads of rentaguards needed at dance music events and extra searches etc…
so I expect this form may even get introduced here and Essex….
right i know this will sound like a conspiracy theory, but that site is run by the government so’s we can sign petitions against the government, which gives us a pretense that we are actualy protesting and doing something to protect our rights when in fact we’re doing nothing. Seems a bit wierd if you ask me. let people think they are standing up to ‘the man’ when all thier doing is lieing down and taking it.
:conspiracy: :crazy_diz
:conspiracy: :crazy_diz
either that or they want to get every ones names and adressed who oppose and kill them?:yakk:
if there are over a certain number of names on a petition, then a question must be raised in the house, or so i’ve been led to believe
seems like pretty much fuck all point then. i mean who raises the question? the very people that want the law/proposal put through in the first place? I really wanna find out if any of those petitions have ever been succesful in getting anything changed… anyone know where to get the information from? freedom of information i guess…
the petition gets passed to the Prime Ministers office or the relevant Government Department, and is dealt with at Senior Civil Service level – as far as I can see it is up to those Civil Servants as to which Departments they pass it on to. At that point a minister may decide to ask a question in Parliament but there appears to be no obligation for them to do so. There may be an informal agreement that they ask a question if there is a large public interest, but this depends on the Department and ministers involved.
there’s no reason also why a Opposition politician couldn’t pick up on the petition and ask a question themselves, but TBH all questions result in is another formulated response from a Civil Service department (I used to see the replies to then when I worked for a Whitehall department)
The FOI bit associated with this site can be found here as well as where to find what questions have been asked.
Number10.gov.uk Freedom of Information
TBH this site is no more or no less powerful than the traditional written petition to Number 10, which of course can be similarly shuffled around by Whitehall or brushed off/ignored.
Now I’m not a fan of the tinfoil helmet conspiracies, but the e-petitions website does have a flaw that if people use their real name and its in any way distinctive it is easy enough for normal folks (not even feds/MI5) to google them and find out who the “ringleaders” of campaigns are (as their names are near the top!) with the obvious inherent risks.
This can’t actually be done half as easily on a traditional written petition.
if someone asks me to sign a paper petition to save the endangered wurzle-stoat of the Brecklands, the worst that may happen is that Special Branch would check my name to make sure I am not a militant animal rights campaigner, and on finding this not to be the case would take no further action.
However, the president of the local NFU (who may want to extend his farm into the contended habitat area) can’t get this info and decide to boycott my employer due to my political views costing him money.
In the case of a internet petition if I use my real name (it would be pointless otherwise) its fairly distinctive in England and I could be identified by both nosey private citizens and of course the feds would still be able to check me out..
TBH I suspect this particular petition will be thrown back at the citizens who would be simply told that it at present only affects certain areas of the Metropolitan Police force area, and it would be a matter for that police force and maybe the Mayor of London, and if it extends into other constabularies they would argue it wouldn’t be without actual incidents happening.
After all the whole reason the Met did this is they were a tad pissed off with people thinking a nights entertainment involved “merking some mandem because they diss you with some lyrics innit..”
nice one for that, when i ve ogt some spare time im gonna write to them and find out how many petitions they’ve had on that site and whats been the result… oh and.. :laugh_at:
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