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  • I don’t know if it will make any difference –

    I mean I understand this is on a more inter / national scale but ‘we’ seem to be viewed as a collective and not necessarily a good one (and from some peoples behaviour at parties I can imagine at times quite rightly :you_crazy) but it just filters down to the more local level, and I can imagine some police not being happy at things like having their leave canceled this week, being drafted from ‘non london forces’ for things like this and remembering it in the summer …….:

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    The most expensive police operation in British history has been launched to secure the G20 summit in London, The Daily Telegraph can disclose, at an estimated cost of up to £8 million
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    Groups active in the late 1990s were re-emerging and forming new alliances to protest at the meeting, he said.

    The operation will involve thousands of officers and cost an estimated £7.2m.

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    Then on Saturday, that that “Scotland Yard have issued a stark warning of violent disorder in the City of London on the eve of the G20 summit,

    with the police stretched to their limit in the middle of an extraordinary week of public protest”. Using words such as ‘militants’, ‘hardcore’ and a repetition of ‘violence’

    the article and statement stand to justify the deployment of “2,500 uniformed police, many equipped with riot gear” to deal with “1,000 anti-capitalist demonstrators.” Oh.. and it’s going to cost £10m to ‘protect’ the Bank of England. The article ends with a para about the Economist report “Britain is not immune to the danger of serious social unrest and public disorder as a result of the economic crisis.”

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    Whether you have read Naomi Klein’s ‘The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism’ or not,

    you should be wondering at this point what the terrorism laws and police are being used to protect from the protesters: the UK people, or the symbols of a flawed system of free market liberalism which now risks global of public rejection? You should also be paying close attention to the language used to justify any police action, from either the police themselves, the media or those sympathetic to the concerns of the city. In this respect a quick comparison is helpful…

    Conscious Comment: Police brewing trouble ahead of G20

    Tank Girl;316768 wrote:
    but it just filters down to the more local level, and I can imagine some police not being happy at things like having their leave canceled this week, being drafted from ‘non london forces’ for things like this and remembering it in the summer …….:

    unless they are asking for specialist units of CID tasked to monitor protestors coming from provincial regions, I’d be very surprised if Metpol needed any “foreign” (i.e out of area) backup.

    2 500 officers doesn’t even make a dent in the Met’s operational strength. They used 10 000 officers to police the Notting Hill Carnival and thats supposed to be a “celebration”.

    General Lighting;316786 wrote:
    unless they are asking for specialist units of CID tasked to monitor protestors coming from provincial regions, I’d be very surprised if Metpol needed any “foreign” (i.e out of area) backup.

    2 500 officers doesn’t even make a dent in the Met’s operational strength. They used 10 000 officers to police the Notting Hill Carnival and thats supposed to be a “celebration”.

    oh ok,
    just from what I’d read somewhere they said they had to bring in officers from other forces, I am aware I can be wrong 😉

    Tank Girl;316790 wrote:
    oh ok,
    just from what I’d read somewhere they said they had to bring in officers from other forces, I am aware I can be wrong 😉

    they probably have brought in officers from other forces but it would more likely to be the CID “spotters” and British Transport Police to monitor the railway and Tube networks. I think due to the locations Essex might be on standby to provide extra units and mounted units but having seen the Met in action they are not exactly “under strength” like many provincial forces are…

    I found some clarification in todays news reports. Befordshire, Sussex and Essex constabularies are being deployed but their task is to escort and guard the world leaders/dignitaries to and from their accomodation in various locations outside the capital. The cops would of course have to do this as a routine security measure even if no protests took place… it is the media once again spinning things claiming these extra cops were to “police the protest”.

    i reckon the police might be in for a shock if they think that only 1000 people are gonna turn up to protest. :weee:

    djprocess;316856 wrote:
    i reckon the police might be in for a shock if they think that only 1000 people are gonna turn up to protest. :weee:

    That’s exactly what i was thinking.

    I’ve split these posts from the other discussion (which was more about raves).

    TBH I suspect the “1 000” activists figures is more the number of “prominent” or “professional” activists that Scotland Yard are keeping tabs on, rather than the total number of demonstrators which would be several thousand but include students, randoms, “normal” people.

    Well there was a good few 100 at the briefing tonight. tomorrow is going to be very interesting!!

    binge;317013 wrote:
    Well there was a good few 100 at the briefing tonight. tomorrow is going to be very interesting!!

    hope it goes well!! :group_hug

    binge;317013 wrote:
    Well there was a good few 100 at the briefing tonight. tomorrow is going to be very interesting!!

    goodluck!

    From the Guardian today

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    Police show two faces to G20 protesters

    The contrasting faces of British policing were on display yesterday as the Met called in support from 30 forces across the country to create a 5,000-strong team of officers for at least six diverse demonstrations in the City of London and Trafalgar Square.

    Outside the Bank of England police horses and riot officers were pushed back by the sheer force of demonstrators – helmets were torn from officers’ heads and cans, fruit and flour rained down. In retaliation the police surged forward, cracking heads with batons, using pepper spray and CS gas, and sirens wailed all around.

    Three minutes’ walk away, in Bishopsgate, smiling officers shared a joke with men and women pitching tents along the road, a family offered them chocolate brownies from an organic food stall and a few lads politely queued up outside the compost toilet tent.

    Commanders at the Met, who are said to be among the best public order officers in the world, insisted they would not let the city be brought to a standstill. They used familiar tactics to trap 4,000 people into streets outside the Bank of England in a practice known as “kettling”, tightening the cordon when violence flared in one part of Threadneedle Street and a group of protesters, whose faces were covered, broke into the Royal Bank of Scotland.
    Commander Bob Broadhurst, in charge of the operation, said his aim was to facilitate peaceful protest. But those peaceful demonstrators caught inside the cordon with no toilet facilities, and little water, questioned the idea that they were being allowed to exercise their right to march.

    “The police should let us dribble out when we need to,” said June Rogers, a gardener from south London. “We’ve just come on a peaceful protest. We’ve got fire in our belly and we want to say something and be heard, we are just ordinary people but they made the situation worse.”

    Scotland Yard said a cordon was used because missiles were being thrown at officers. Police rights to use such measures were reinforced in 2005 when a judge ruled that surrounding and holding 3,000 protesters in Oxford Circus, London, for seven hours at the May Day protests in 2001 was reasonable in order to stop violence and damage to property.

    Around the corner from the Bank, at the Bishopsgate climate camp, protesters succeeded in closing the road and pitching tents. They put the laid-back police approach down to the peaceful protest. “We want to keep ourselves very separate from what is happening outside the Bank of England,” said Rob Bailes, a legal observer.

    “We are peaceful protesters. The police here have been very friendly with us, because we have been friendly to them.”

    Bailes believed the recent report into the policing of a similar climate camp at Kingsnorth power station in Kent, which found that police tried to smear protesters, had forced the Met to allow the camp to form. One officer said he had been told the demonstrators would be allowed to stay until 1.30pm today.

    By late afternoon, the Met said 32 people had been arrested. Eleven were held for driving an armoured van in police uniform, one for criminal damage and two for aggravated burglary.

    In the kettle

    Kettling is the word used to describe the police tactic of corralling demonstrators into a space for several hours. Public order officers say it is used to contain and close down marches when they get violent. But its legality has been challenged over claims that it restricts an individual’s human rights and stops the right to peacefully protest. So far, legal challenges have resulted in the use of kettling being upheld by the courts.

    hope everything was ok for Binge and he safe :group_hug
    hopefully from news coverage of the CC it looks as if that part went really well

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    G20: The strong arm of the law

    As witnesses to the way they mishandled today’s protests in the City of London, we hold the police responsible for the violence

    There’s little doubt that today’s and tomorrow’s news coverage will prominently feature the G20 protests and the violence that broke out. We think a broader perspective is needed, because when the mainstream media is so ready to take the police‘s side, it is too easy to brand the protestors as the only troublemakers.

    Four of us were Twittering today for the Guardian, trying to get a sense of the protests right from the heart of the City. The protests were, in the morning, very light-hearted and friendly. There were brass bands, lots of singing, chanting and dancing. There were people handing out fake bank notes, flyers to the “alternative G20 summit” and expounding their own theories on what went wrong with the world.
    At around 12:15, Rowenna and I ran into each other and decided to head towards the Climate Camp gathering at Bishopsgate.

    We slowly made our way out from the front of the Bank of England, down Threadneedle Street, before we were stopped by a wide police cordon. This is when things started to turn nasty. By 12:30, no one was allowed to leave the protest, and no explanation was given. When we asked a policeman why, he said it was simply an order to prevent “a breach of the peace”. We said we were journalists trying to cover the protests, but it made no difference. We were stuck.

    People were feeling claustrophobic, hungry and aggressive. One woman sat down because she was feeling faint. A few others had just come to see all the fuss, and weren’t protesting, but were not allowed to leave either.

    It’s worth stressing that the police decision to form a cordon and not allow people free movement started becoming a focus point for their annoyance. For a while the chanting was their only form of protest. But we felt like we were in a pressure cooker. By about 1pm, people kept pushing against the police cordon and chanting “Whose streets? Our streets!” A few bits of food and the some paint started getting chucked at the police.

    We were at the front line of the police cordon because we wanted to leave, but there was no way to get out. The crowd pushed us forward, the police pushed us back – sometimes quite brutally by using batons against people and hitting some. The police were rattled by the crowd and seemed to have little idea of what their plan or position was – other than to contain us.

    With so much anger, other protesters started gathering to see what the fuss was about. When they felt they couldn’t leave, they started pushing. The four horses from the protests gathered at the lines ready to charge. They had found a focus point for their anger and started surging forward in waves. When they still couldn’t get through, more bottles began to get hurled, gas was released and individuals pushed through more heavily.

    Any resentment to do with the financial crisis was now being added to by a sense of injustice towards the police – at one point, it felt the reason we were there had been swallowed altogether. The police, in short, were making things worse.

    We’ve seen this problem time and time again. The police seem confused about their role. They are not there to control the protesters – they are there to manage and safeguard them.
    Protesters may also have something to learn. After we escaped the firing line in Threadneedle Street, we headed to the Climate Camp around the corner. Their approach couldn’t have been more different. Real turf was being rolled out on the concrete pavements and people were having tea parties and setting up tents. Games were played; there was music and dancing and meditation. These activists were deliberately making the point that while this was a radical protest, it did not have to be remotely violent or aggressive. The atmosphere was completely different.

    After our visit to the Climate Camp, we went back to the Bank of England. The situation had calmed down considerably, but several thousand people were still hemmed in around Bank station. They weren’t being allowed to leave. When would they be allowed to go to, I asked a policeman. “Not until we’ve photographed and gotten details of every single one of them,” he said. “You won’t see some of them until midnight,” he added. We were just glad we had managed to cross over the police lines earlier during the pushing and shoving, otherwise we’d still be there.

    It’s unlikely the media coverage will focus on the peaceful Climate Camp activities. It’s also very likely the police will be allowed to blame troublemakers without having to explain why they deliberately hemmed people in and would not allow them to leave – aggravating the crowds. With more free movement, we doubt there would have been any tension to boil over. But protestors are easy targets for the media to stereotype, and today will be no different.

    i failed by not being down there, i was supposed to fucking go

    my blood is boiling

    boothy;317284 wrote:
    i failed by not being down there, i was supposed to fucking go

    my blood is boiling

    I would have liked to have gone, but working nights at the mo, just no way possible

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