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even labour strongholds such as lancashire and derbyshire have gone tory. the only red councilors left up here are the true stronghold… yorkshire wasnt in the election but i dont think leeds and hull etc. would ever go blue.
it’s bad
people are understandably pissed off with labour, i fucking am i know that
but the solution is not the fucking tories, definitely definitely not
im not looking forward to 8 years of a tory government come next general election
WE NEED ALTERNATIVE TO THE 2/3 MAIN PARTIES!
Who though? How would we go about getting another party in there and if so who would you want?
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well i’d want green party to be larger
and socialist workers party
but then that wouldn’t be democracy if i got to decide
i think more people voting alternative parties will achieve that
unfortunately people are scared too
tory voters think that a vote for a smaller party is labour gaining a vote
and labour voters think vice versa
tactical voting innit
on a much much more depressing note the BNP have won 3 council seats
i honestly feel so fucking angry right now
Unfortunately labour has abandoned so many of its core socialist principles whilst the current Tory party has actually shifted leftwards (similar to its stance in the early 1970s pre-Thatcho) so its hardly surprising this happens.
also the areas you mention have recently become surprisingly prosperous (at least before the recession) and are doing better than some parts of London – the North has done a very good job of wrestling away work from the South and East, particularly frontline office work what can’t be easily outsourced to foreign lands or causes a backlash due to language barriers and racism (think of insurance call centres etc).
having lived through the last lot of tory governments I don’t think its just “protest votes”,
Once people have a bit of extra cash in their pockets they want to hold on to it (especially if they feel it is under threat) and many feel that the Tories are the best party for business.
greens and socialists are unpopular because people think they will have to pay extra taxes for stuff what they don’t agree with or they are “soft on criminals”…
It’s out of your hands mate, try not to let it annoy you too much. :love:
at present its not even that bad – when I was boothys age living in South London the BNP didn’t win council seats, they paraded the streets in military uniform in broad daylight and attacked anyone what was non-white
also they infiltrated the normally left wing unionised Royal Mail in some areas and if someone had a foreign sounding name all their post would be delivered torn in half (more chilling as it also meant they obviously knew that persons home address)
left wing activists regularly used to get petrol through the letter box and matches thrown in, to the point the met told them to take up their inside carpets and remove flammable stuff from the hallway so the petrol would burn out harmlessly on a concrete floor
they even infiltrated some parts of the rave scene and tried to destroy it!
at least if a rise in race related violence occurs in places where BNP councillors are it sticks out like a sore thumb and shows them for what they are, whereas 17 years ago this was explained away as “normal criminality amongst the working classes”
‘course things have got better
but they still shouldn’t happen
i thought we’d progressed enough for people not to think the BNP is a reasonable voting option
as for violence against left-wing activists, redwatch is still operating and it’s fucking chillin to be honest
nah the only progress in British society has been technological progress and maybe a grudging increase in freedom of speech/expression which could be rolled back at any time
deep down the social mindsets have not changed in this country since the 1940s/1950s, particularly some peoples belief in defined social and racial divisions and the supremacy of private enterprise and private property…
I was reading some article by George Orwell from 1944 and it was just as relevant today..
nah they have i reckon. i need to get some food so i’ll elaborate lately, but i think there has been a lot of positive progress.
on a note about labour losing their core socialist principles, i completely agree. they sold their socialist souls to thatcherism.
the problem is there is no united left movement. we need a united left.
Greens, SWP, SDLP, Respect, SPGB, there’s fuck loads of left-wing socialist groups but divided they are tiny ineffective parties (with the exception of the greens, which is why i am a supporter but i agree with SWP policies etc.)
unite the left tbh
Greens, SWP, SDLP, Respect, SPGB, there’s fuck loads of left-wing socialist groups but divided they are tiny ineffective parties (with the exception of the greens, which is why i am a supporter but i agree with SWP policies etc.)
unite the left tbh
this is the paradox though, the left values “free speech” and is often against strict leadership and hierarchies so it always tends to fail when put up against more disciplined opponents from the right wing where everyone knows their place and unites against a common leader.
the (British) Greens have moved from being a middle class hippy party with strong links to the British landed gentry to a social democratic party, but on one side they are still seen as too radical by the bulk of people, particularly their “soft on crime and drugs” stance, on another the amount of middle class rich supporters makes the working classes slightly suspicious of them.
For instance, there are loads of green supporters in the countryside bit between where I live and where josh and damo live but they are all middle aged yoghurt weavers, nearly households led by women in their fifties with grown up children, big country houses where they grow all their own produce etc… many aren’t even locals but have come here from London etc…
left and right are too simplistic, there’s also libertarian and totalitarian on the compass
i think party politics is really damaging. we need independent people with a good breadth of life experience to stand as MPs. as long as we have party politics we’ll have career politicians. been an elected representative of the people should be about passion for the good of your whole community not a free pass to tasty directorships
oh, and fuck
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