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  • are you really anal about quality or happy to listen to anything?

    im anal, only to a certain extent. im happy with 192. excited with 320. i can bear with a shit FM recording if its a fuckin quality tune

    i’ll listen to anything as long as there isn’t major quality loss … alltho when making or recording stuff i get anul and use the biggest bit rate i can just so there’s deffo no quality loss (as i not wanna dud my listeners 😉 )

    @DaftFader 378540 wrote:

    i’ll listen to anything as long as there isn’t major quality loss … alltho when making or recording stuff i get anul and use the biggest bit rate i can just so there’s deffo no quality loss (as i not wanna dud my listeners 😉 )

    raaa

    Bitrate isn’t everything – the quality of the encoding software used to create the file is equally important. I have plenty of shitty sounding MP3s with obviously audible encoding artefacts that are 192kb/s and above.

    Most people struggle to differentiate between a well-encoded 128kb/s MP3 or AAC and the uncompressed “CD quality” version. You need a decent system/well-trained ears to really notice a difference.

    yeah mp3 is designed to cut out the frequencys that most human ears cannot pick up/notice

    i think i read somewhere that under a certain frequency, the signal is also mono (using mp3) :S can anyone confirm this?

    MP3 encoding relies on the psychoacoustic principle of “masking” – the idea that a tone played at a particular frequency will raise the threshold of hearing for frequencies on either side of it.

    800px-Audio_Mask_Graph.png

    If you extend this idea to a complex signal, e.g music rather than a single tone, you’ll find that much of the replayed sound is masked (and therefore redundant as far as we are concerned – we can get rid of it without hearing a difference).

    MP3 works by splitting the audio signal into a number of frequency bands and examining it to find out what parts will be inaudible due to masking (the encoder has a model of the human auditory system built into it). The bit-depth of each band is continuously varied (lower bit-depth = more noise) according to how heavily it will be masked at any one point. I.e. it might be possible to get away with encoding a band at 1-bit if the massive amount of resulting noise will be masked, saving 15 bits per sample.

    I sometimes wonder what MP3s must sound like to a dog or other animal – pretty ropey I’d imagine.

    That’s the basic premise of MP3 – I can’t remember the exact ins and outs of how it works.

    As for an MP3 signal being mono below a certain frequency I don’t think that’s the case – I don’t see why it should be. Incidentally this is something that is often done by the mastering engineer – it was necessary to mono the bass when pressing music to vinyl, as loud, out-of-phase low frequency signals can cause the needle to jump out of the groove (the difference between the L and R signals (i.e. all stereo information) is represented by the vertical movement of the stylus).

    ahhhhhhhh, thank you sir! good info asking man yof my ponderings

    think of it like this … sterio bass needs two diferant bits of info L + R (bass makes the biggest waves therefor taking up the most space info wise .. also the bass is the least important to be sterio as in the majority of music you only really need wide sounds higher up the freq range) so monoing the bass would save space as it would be more compact and mp3 is all about compacted info making your music file as small as possable with minimal quality loss

    arent flacs meant to be the shizzle? ive started only using wavs now for mixing, mp3 versions seem to lack in the overall clarity and ‘loudness’ specially in the bass on a nice system, you have to boost the gain a little on mp3’s. its not a massive difference and i still use my old mp3’s but wanna make sure im gettin the best out of a system.

    if theres a diffence between 120 and 320 mp3 then surely a 1140kbps wav is gonna be much nicer, arent flacs like 40000?

    flacs are good quality but an arse to use imo

    MP3’s do mono the bass – the idea being that because bass has a spherical dispersion pattern it has no directionality, and so can be mono’d without any real loss of quality. Doesn’t work quite like that in the real world, and mono bass is one of the instant giveaways of something being MP3 (the lower the bitrate, the higher up the bass frequency band the mono’ing goes too). They also cut any frequency over 16KHz, as most of the sound in this area is all but inaudible to most humans – the audio information in the area around the fletcher/munson curve (about 2-5KHz) is the part that gets most of the attention when encoding, as that is the part the human ear is most attuned to (it’s the frequency the human voice is located in).

    Mostly it does this by separating the various frequencies using a fourier transform, and then assigning importance by means of a modified discrete cosine transform based on the output of a Polyphase quadrature filter bank (the model of the human ear) – the waveform is essentially smoothed out between various points on playback so it sounds mostly right, but much of the real info is lost between the various points the mp3 assigns.

    MP3’s were primarily designed for voice encoding, so the crossover to compressing music is nowhere near perfect and in some cases can be downright shocking – there are far better lossy compression methods (ATRAC, ogg etc etc), and most do a better job than MP3’s, but as personal preference I tend to go for lossless compression wherever possible and only resort to mp3 when I have absolutely no other choice…

    I record on my PC in Flac, then change to ogg or 320mp3 depending on where the file is being used.

    if i rip anything it will be 320kbs but to be honest im happy with 128kb and above..good quality speakers/headphones makes more of an impact than higher bitrates

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