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    This Bill would strengthen the powers of the police to deal with raves. Currently, police can direct people to leave a rave, stop people on their way to one, and seize vehicles and sound equipment. The current provisions apply to gatherings of 20 or more where amplified music is played at night which ‘by reason of its loudness and duration and the time at which it is played is likely to cause serious distress to the inhabitants of the locality.’ This could be outdoors or, where people are trespassing, indoors.

    The Bill would:

    • amend the current legislation so that the powers would apply to music likely to cause distress by its loudness or its duration or the time at which it is played, rather than all three factors having to be taken into account
    • create new offences of organising a rave and transporting equipment for one
    • widen police powers to seize sound equipment and the powers of the court to forfeit it.

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    anyone understand how likely it is to go through?

    not sure. The MP responsible has stood down because his wife is terminally ill and he was also exposed for spending expenses money on trees for his garden. I expect another MP would need to pick up the legislation and push it through, although it wasn’t just supported by him but by MPs of other parties as well whose areas had been targeted by raves.

    the cops have actually stopped the bulk of raves in the area what was being targeted by both busting events (including sending organisers to prison) and and identifying and prosecuting those what were selling drugs to fund their lifestyles- so it could be argued that existing laws are already adequate.

    anyone else noticed the massive increase in raves recently? seem to be happening all the time in london at the moment

    London is a special case as serious/organised crime teams are busy dealing with a much larger amount of violent gang activity plus the risks that Islamic terrorism and extreme right wing activity pose to security. Add to this a large number of scrotes what will nick whatever isn’t nailed down or guarded, even if cops can’t always catch’em they still have to do the paperwork.

    Each murder in London has 30 cops allocated to investigate it.. London raves tend to happen in inner city boroughs with a very high crime rate. compared to the level of other serious crime cops simply do not as yet have the resources to deal with them.

    in the provincial areas crime is much rarer (cows may wander in the street but don’t usually rob peoples x-boxes), and murder is less common. Where serious violent crime does happen, it is often an “open and shut case” where attacker and victim are known to one another (very often domestics or disagreements between former friends) and evidence is fairly obvious, and there is a moral code here where when it goes as far as rape or murder people will talk to the Police (in many cases the attacker often turns himself in!) so is cleared up fairly quickly, unlike London gang attacks where the feds often come up against a wall of silence.

    This does however mean that the cops (particularly detective ranks) have much more time to investigate such things as raves and the night time economy.

    Illegal raves now count as serious and organised crime due to the level of drugs being sold at them and evidence that some young people are simply funding their entire lifestyles through large-scale drug dealing, which means they are interacting with much older and nastier people further up the chain to get the middle level supplies.

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