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I understand that like.. in some situations it could be hard for single parents who earn JUST at the threshold and have 2 or 3 children to look after.
But we need to cut national debt somehow. Sooo.
So the kids suffer? Is that it?
They don’t want their luxuries taken away, many others cope just fine with nothing. I heard that a lot of Women said they’d ‘be better off divorced’ well that’s a nice way to think, they really deserve the benefit.
There are a few exceptions but the thing with governing a country is that you can’t please everyone. You have to choose a solution that you THINK works in favour of the majority of the country. Kinds won’t suffer. If you earn 40K a year, i don’t think your children will be going without.
@harr!et 400811 wrote:
I understand that like.. in some situations it could be hard for single parents who earn JUST at the threshold and have 2 or 3 children to look after.
But we need to cut national debt somehow. Sooo.
I do not understand why I should have to support someone who has no means to financially support their children . Why should I have to pay that? Here’s a clue if you cannot afford kids then DO NOT HAVE THEM !
Why should the people who pay the most tax not be entitled to have something back from the tax man?
Yeah i’d love to have kids but i can’t afford the little bastards, give me loads of free money please…
I don’t mind paying what is a pittance in taxes (compared to defence expenditure or tax breaks for private industries) to ensure a child genuinely from a poorer background at least gets a decent start in life..
unwanted (or more often unplanned) pregnancies do happen and its not acceptable in a modern European nation to “punish a child for being born”.. babies don’t always arrive when couples are at the right point financially for them.
bear in mind the alternative before the welfare state was unwanted kids either meeting with a lot of “unfortunate accidents” such as “accidentally eating the rat poison”, being sold for cash (still done in foreign countries) or being put into badly run childrens homes run by the dominant faith groups, and we all know what happened to many of them in these places!
I also strongly believe all children should have access to playgroups, infant, junior and high school and apprenticeships/further education from age 0-18 – but I see no reason why higher earners should get extra benefits for their children – if they want extra from what the state provides they should pay for it from their own pockets..
As for the broken middle class families, in 90% of the time (unless of course a parent has died but they should have had pensions/investments) these families split becuase of the same aggressive, stubborn competitive nature what made them high flyers in business anyway, often it gets translated into aggression within the family home. If they choose to live like that, its a price they must pay same as the risk of a business failing or redundancy in the free markets many of them worship (even if they claim to do otherwise), and there is still a financial duty of each ex-partner to contribute to the upkeep of children.
Some parents (like my own) do still realise its a lifetime commitment having children and stay together “till death do us part” even when times are bad and irrespective of how much money each partner is making…
i think its a bad idea as some people on this threshhold really struggle.. depends on what area you live in etc… but fuck it just get rid of it all and go back to sticks and stones tbh but ill be out of a job. maybe ill invent the wheel
I think our welfare system is something we should be prowd of. The cuts seem sensible to me but single mums/mums at home could lose out disproportionately. Will see what happens 2bh its not coming in for 3 years. I would hate us to go the way of the USA, there system seems almost 3rd world at times.
‘Really struggle’ what to keep up their current lifestyle? bet that’s what it is, how much money do they lose and why do they deserve it?
Its £1700 they lose. if this were to occur for all employed parents it would indeed be wholly wrong, but these are parents that are already in the higher earning bracket when people are raising kids decently on much less. Many of the middle class benefit recipients do spend the money on the kids but things like extra tuition or tennis or music lessons which aren’t really essential and often stop the kids from independent play/leisure.
Yes it might mean families need to cut back on luxuries or parents even have to go back to work – but both my own parents had to work in the 1980s same as with most people I know.
People also do still have the right in 5 years time to elect a different goverment with different policies with regard to welfare (and had the same right in April – but the consensus was people wanted “the economy sorted out..”)
@General Lighting 401032 wrote:
Its £1700 they lose. if this were to occur for all employed parents it would indeed be wholly wrong, but these are parents that are already in the higher earning bracket when people are raising kids decently on much less. Many of the middle class benefit recipients do spend the money on the kids but things like extra tuition or tennis or music lessons which aren’t really essential and often stop the kids from independent play/leisure.
Yes it might mean families need to cut back on luxuries or parents even have to go back to work – but both my own parents had to work in the 1980s same as with most people I know.
People also do still have the right in 5 years time to elect a different goverment with different policies with regard to welfare (and had the same right in April – but the consensus was people wanted “the economy sorted out..”)
Exactly, how would they feel earning 12k a year raising kids!?
@1984 401025 wrote:
I think our welfare system is something we should be prowd of. The cuts seem sensible to me but single mums/mums at home could lose out disproportionately. Will see what happens 2bh its not coming in for 3 years. I would hate us to go the way of the USA, there system seems almost 3rd world at times.
I fully agree with you , although our system is by no means perfect its a hell of an improvment on the USA’s one (or lack of.)
There needs to be change at the other end of the scale, why should we support people who are already on benifits for each addtional child they have ?
@General Lighting 401032 wrote:
Its £1700 they lose. if this were to occur for all employed parents it would indeed be wholly wrong, but these are parents that are already in the higher earning bracket when people are raising kids decently on much less. Many of the middle class benefit recipients do spend the money on the kids but things like extra tuition or tennis or music lessons which aren’t really essential and often stop the kids from independent play/leisure.
Yes it might mean families need to cut back on luxuries or parents even have to go back to work – but both my own parents had to work in the 1980s same as with most people I know.
People also do still have the right in 5 years time to elect a different goverment with different policies with regard to welfare (and had the same right in April – but the consensus was people wanted “the economy sorted out..”)
i totally agree with you….how the hell they can complain when already earning 46k+ ( i could be wrong about the higher tax threshold, but its near 46)…..between me and my gf we bring up 3 kids on around 30k per year (my wages) and whatever benefits she gets (which isnt mch, and she cannot work with the baby being young), we manage to buy clothes, games consoles, bikes, go on holiday etc.
It pisses me off when families earning another 15k+ per year bitch about the benefits being taken away!
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