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That place is rinsed, as if they thought they’d get away with it!
Its a bit like the rats, they always pick the same runs each year.. 😉
A 20-year-old man from Wisbech has been arrested in connection with an illegal rave held in Norfolk at the weekend.
Officers from Fakenham and Wells located an unlicensed musical event (UME) in a field at Wells Road, North Creake, near Fakenham, at about 1am on Sunday.
The event continued to be monitored throughout the night with approximately 100 people and 40 vehicles in attendance.
Later in the day, response officers from Fakenham attended the scene and a man from Wisbech was arrested on suspicion of Licensing Act offences, criminal damage and possession of a controlled drug and taken to King’s Lynn police station for questioning.
The sound equipment and vehicle belonging to the arrested man was also seized.
Inspector Jason Selvarajah, who led the operation, said: “The location was difficult to access and whilst no further noise complaints were received, a field and crops appear to have been damaged as a result of those attending this event.
“Norfolk Constabulary has taken positive action and a number of people at the UME received £30 fixed penalty notices for driving off road.
“One man was arrested on suspicion of possessing a controlled drug and another for driving whilst over the prescribed limit.”
Man from Wisbech arrested in connection with illegal rave held in Norfolk – News – Wisbech Standard
gotta b a suicide rig
Was at the party. Only about 5-6 coppers came in to shut it down, surprised they lost the rig :/. Police were really on it tho, we got stopped 3 times going to the party and searched. The guys doing it were a fairly new crew tho i think, maybe even doing there first illegal. Seems like these guys had abit of bad luck, it was a decent night.
would have to be newbies as that area’s been rinsed so many times before, I think I’ve been there at least twice and I’ve only lived in EA for 4 years.
as for cops, they now have this smart kit called AVLS which is like a satnav linked to their airwave radios, so even if they are unfamiliar with the area they press a button and it comes up on a big plasma screen at HQ like something out of a movie so they are on it straight away. (10 years ago they had analogue radios which were flaky and you could listen in on them).
I saw a film about this a while back on some news website, it made me laugh as all the cops in the film were all really fat – they must give out free pies in the canteen there..
I’m sure it was a good party but I think the days of cops just letting things go are over – they will always try and confiscate stuff and they work with smart lawyers and councils and farmers to get conviction. or if they can’t do that for whatever reason they will keep searching cars and people… whats more worrying is the dude had his car/van pounded as well – under human rights laws he will most probably get it back but if its his work vehicle him and his employers are fucked..
@General Lighting 407338 wrote:
would have to be newbies as that area’s been rinsed so many times before, I think I’ve been there at least twice and I’ve only lived in EA for 4 years.
as for cops, they now have this smart kit called AVLS which is like a satnav linked to their airwave radios, so even if they are unfamiliar with the area they press a button and it comes up on a big plasma screen at HQ like something out of a movie so they are on it straight away. (10 years ago they had analogue radios which were flaky and you could listen in on them).
I saw a film about this a while back on some news website, it made me laugh as all the cops in the film were all really fat – they must give out free pies in the canteen there..
I’m sure it was a good party but I think the days of cops just letting things go are over – they will always try and confiscate stuff and they work with smart lawyers and councils and farmers to get conviction. or if they can’t do that for whatever reason they will keep searching cars and people… whats more worrying is the dude had his car/van pounded as well – under human rights laws he will most probably get it back but if its his work vehicle him and his employers are fucked..
intresting situation this, as theyre charging him with what the “dale 6” were charged with and those that pleaded not guilty walked, shame it was there 1st outing, lets hope theyre not too deterd from it!
its allways a shame to hear these reports but you never truely get the full story,glad one poster above said it was a good night! every cloud!
@Minghead 407434 wrote:
intresting situation this, as theyre charging him with what the “dale 6” were charged with and those that pleaded not guilty walked, shame it was there 1st outing, lets hope theyre not too deterd from it!
Different country / region and circumstances though.
In the case of Wales the Police actually directed the ravers on to the land with the “permission” of the landowner (even if its the heddlu telling him that would be the “best idea”). Also with a large group of people it is difficult to prove that all of them were guilty – whilst there is the actus reus (the crime) committed by all, some can claim “ignorance” and that there is then no mens rea (the criminal intent) – as its much harder to claim that DJ’s are expected to check up the licenses of the venues they play at, and in Wales there have been legal outdoor events held using TENS!
Further, for licensing purposes Wales has devolution (it is slightly more lenient in than England in some regions) Council area can make different decisions.
however In Eastern region the Police actively contain and try and deter people from getting vehicles in – albeit with varying degrees of success.
Of course what happens is people abandon their cars and walk across the fields – and this is how they can nick people for “criminal damage to crops” but the person they nicked is from 33 miles away in Cambs – there are people round here what call the next village “foreign” and won’t drive there let alone travel to other counties, so there isn’t really a culture of going driving late at night in the country unless its ravers or garys…
OTOH at one point not too long ago the Eastern ravers were not just clued up but took euphoric stimulants instead of ketamine, and they were enthusiastic, intelligent young people and some actually had more local knowledge than many of the Police!
There isn’t much left of the old EA forums like properunderground and ravecore which put across this atmosphere and many of those involved have moved away for uni but there were reasons why the “Norfolk” rave scene wasn’t as bad as it is often painted to be. They also genuinely cleared up afterwards, and kept last tunes at Sunday afternoon so there is time to clear up.
now the raves are full of K-heads, cops have the AVLS system I mentioned (only deployed this year) and (some) ravers think its too geeky/boring to use stuff like GPS and maps or to properly look for venues instead of repeatedly rinsing someone farm where the often elderly couple owning it can barely run it let alone deal with security issues.
Since 2002 in East Anglia there have been 5 precedents of courts convicting for this same offence, nearly everyones been found guilty and penalties have ranged from fairly large fines to imprisonment (it was two of my mates what went down!). in all cases rigs have been permanently confiscated and destroyed.
The detectives are also getting a lot better at linking raves to the drug dealing networks and nicking people for this as well (sadly many folk go from party drugs to class A addiction in this area) Bear in mind EA is otherwise a low crime area full of small close knit communities, its sparsely populated and what drug related crime does occur can often be traced back to the individuals involved.
@General Lighting 407438 wrote:
Different country / region and circumstances though.
In the case of Wales the Police actually directed the ravers on to the land with the “permission” of the landowner (even if its the heddlu telling him that would be the “best idea”). Also with a large group of people it is difficult to prove that all of them were guilty – whilst there is the actus reus (the crime) committed by all, some can claim “ignorance” and that there is then no mens rea (the criminal intent) – as its much harder to claim that DJ’s are expected to check up the licenses of the venues they play at, and in Wales there have been legal outdoor events held using TENS!
Further, for licensing purposes Wales has devolution (it is slightly more lenient in than England in some regions) Council area can make different decisions.
however In Eastern region the Police actively contain and try and deter people from getting vehicles in – albeit with varying degrees of success.
Of course what happens is people abandon their cars and walk across the fields – and this is how they can nick people for “criminal damage to crops” but the person they nicked is from 33 miles away in Cambs – there are people round here what call the next village “foreign” and won’t drive there let alone travel to other counties, so there isn’t really a culture of going driving late at night in the country unless its ravers or garys…
OTOH at one point not too long ago the Eastern ravers were not just clued up but took euphoric stimulants instead of ketamine, and they were enthusiastic, intelligent young people and some actually had more local knowledge than many of the Police!
There isn’t much left of the old EA forums like properunderground and ravecore which put across this atmosphere and many of those involved have moved away for uni but there were reasons why the “Norfolk” rave scene wasn’t as bad as it is often painted to be. They also genuinely cleared up afterwards, and kept last tunes at Sunday afternoon so there is time to clear up.
now the raves are full of K-heads, cops have the AVLS system I mentioned (only deployed this year) and (some) ravers think its too geeky/boring to use stuff like GPS and maps or to properly look for venues instead of repeatedly rinsing someone farm where the often elderly couple owning it can barely run it let alone deal with security issues.
Since 2002 in East Anglia there have been 5 precedents of courts convicting for this same offence, nearly everyones been found guilty and penalties have ranged from fairly large fines to imprisonment (it was two of my mates what went down!). in all cases rigs have been permanently confiscated and destroyed.
The detectives are also getting a lot better at linking raves to the drug dealing networks and nicking people for this as well (sadly many folk go from party drugs to class A addiction in this area) Bear in mind EA is otherwise a low crime area full of small close knit communities, its sparsely populated and what drug related crime does occur can often be traced back to the individuals involved.
that is a shame, i think imay know who you mean who got the brunt of a stretch inside from the norfolk crew, we did have a similer situation in bristol many many years ago were a group of squatters were setting up rubbish parties in buildings evry single week for a very long time and the police just had enough, they set up a 5 county ban on bristol and the surrounding counties and employed a speical officer to be on call 24 hrs on a saturday to take rigs if need be without the sergant, to be honest there were still raves, just more orginisation & preparation involved, but it was bleak for a while,
to be honest people should not enter in to the game without accepting the risks associated, and be prepared act responsibly and with integrity and youve done all you can! the rest as they say is withthe rave gods!
@Minghead 407449 wrote:
that is a shame, i think imay know who you mean who got the brunt of a stretch inside from the norfolk crew, we did have a similer situation in bristol many many years ago were a group of squatters were setting up rubbish parties in buildings evry single week for a very long time and the police just had enough, they set up a 5 county ban on bristol and the surrounding counties and employed a speical officer to be on call 24 hrs on a saturday to take rigs if need be without the sergant, to be honest there were still raves, just more orginisation & preparation involved, but it was bleak for a while,
What was really unjust is these lads are part of one of the slightly more clued up and socially concious crews and weren’t even involved in other crimes, and I felt they were punished unjustly for others stupidity.
but round your way and also in SE England theres more violent crime, more people and less cops.
There are still events in EA on full zero tolerance but they will only ever happen with full co-operation and acceptance by the local community – what they are are genuine private parties between groups of friends, and someones family owns the land and gives permission for their younger children now in their 20s or 30s to use it, and people respect the area and keep it in a decent state.
TBH its even not the cops who are the worst problem – they are just doing their job, protecting other peoples property (OK Thetford Forest is “public” but it got rinsed and trashed, as did Rendlesham). The problem is people behaving like muppets at any kind of social event and I’ve seen it at raves as well.
Last SE England rave I went to was K32 and I think your lot in Reading in February 2007. It was OK and I was impressed at everyone being set up within 30 minutes of being in there. But what I remember was people sat round in a circle and spending hours bitching about arguments what had occured on SJ between people whom were once all friends…
yep the rigs and music were good but the sense of comradeship and unity is long gone. people are just doing fuckloads of drugs and going through the motions – in reality many events I’ve attended since 2005 or so weren’t any better than townie venues for friendliness but with more drugs and better music. OK that is an improvement (which was why when I lived in Reading I was always up for a party) but not worth travelling hundreds of miles for any more…
@General Lighting 407452 wrote:
What was really unjust is these lads are part of one of the slightly more clued up and socially concious crews and weren’t even involved in other crimes, and I felt they were punished unjustly for others stupidity.
but round your way and also in SE England theres more violent crime, more people and less cops.
There are still events in EA on full zero tolerance but they will only ever happen with full co-operation and acceptance by the local community – what they are are genuine private parties between groups of friends, and someones family owns the land and gives permission for their younger children now in their 20s or 30s to use it, and people respect the area and keep it in a decent state.
TBH its even not the cops who are the worst problem – they are just doing their job, protecting other peoples property (OK Thetford Forest is “public” but it got rinsed and trashed, as did Rendlesham). The problem is people behaving like muppets at any kind of social event and I’ve seen it at raves as well.
Last SE England rave I went to was K32 and I think your lot in Reading in February 2007. It was OK and I was impressed at everyone being set up within 30 minutes of being in there. But what I remember was people sat round in a circle and spending hours bitching about arguments what had occured on SJ between people whom were once all friends…
yep the rigs and music were good but the sense of comradeship and unity is long gone. people are just doing fuckloads of drugs and going through the motions – in reality many events I’ve attended since 2005 or so weren’t any better than townie venues for friendliness but with more drugs and better music. OK that is an improvement (which was why when I lived in Reading I was always up for a party) but not worth travelling hundreds of miles for any more…
ahh mate sj is a whole other ball game! it really is its own beast! and it spills into real life quite often, sometimes it does quite literally make me laugh very hard indeed though! but it is depressing when it spills into “real life”
just last night i went on to update a post about frinedz electric and some poster had gone on there and slagged off publicly his one and only mate by the sounds of it, about how this poor chaps it skills wernt all that, it was actually very very harsh and lasted for quite a few pages, i should imagine thats spilled into “real” life,
its a bit different with our cre tbh, none of us really do k infact one of our team dosent even do any drugs! were all pretty old skool and have tried our best to maintain that vibe, our dancefloors are usually electric no matter what gig it is! dont get me wrong its not all plain sailing! we are pretty well known for having a scrap with eachother when setting up, but thats just stressfull situations, and were allways boyz again as soon as its done!
TBH the cracks within that group were developing already but people stirring up the forum arguments didn’t help. From what I’ve heard and seen its much worse on facebook (I don’t use FB myself) and people across the UK now use it to argue and arrange fights, which of course gives the OB carte blanche to get private info on anyone if they feel “public order is at risk”.
In 2005 i had the choice to do the Euro raves with K32, perhaps doing more art/lighting type things, or to move up here and get a much more stable and secure job but do less creative stuff. I chose to follow the money and am fucking glad I did so in hindsight.
Ironically these days I now hang around with a lot of artist/environmentalist/positive techie types who hardly do drugs but are doing loads of positive things in town (which are influencing the teenagers/students, that is very important) and am starting to get back into the creative stuff.
@General Lighting 407573 wrote:
TBH the cracks within that group were developing already but people stirring up the forum arguments didn’t help. From what I’ve heard and seen its much worse on facebook (I don’t use FB myself) and people across the UK now use it to argue and arrange fights, which of course gives the OB carte blanche to get private info on anyone if they feel “public order is at risk”.
In 2005 i had the choice to do the Euro raves with K32, perhaps doing more art/lighting type things, or to move up here and get a much more stable and secure job but do less creative stuff. I chose to follow the money and am fucking glad I did so in hindsight.
Ironically these days I now hang around with a lot of artist/environmentalist/positive techie types who hardly do drugs but are doing loads of positive things in town (which are influencing the teenagers/students, that is very important) and am starting to get back into the creative stuff.
fair play mate everything happens for a reason! i try and maintain some balance i have my 9-5, and then theres the other side, its allways been like that for me, i need the balance! keeps me on my toes!
i dont do the whole facebook thing that much, i just use it too promote stuff like system feedback,friendz electric or any other night we may doing, music & pictures i can imagine though that that sort of thing is rife!
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