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Tunisia and Egypt standing up and telling the government cunts fuck you.
The Western world is a police state and peoples heads would get smashed by police if we did the same.
people need government and government need people and the friction is a necessity
tis the way of things i think
it’ll pan out.
If the Western can no longer can buy iphones, watch trash TV. Then there will be riots.
If everyone turned against the governments / banks we could defeat them.
The govts of these nations are puppet ones which allow the corporates of rich nations to take the natural resources, leaving the people on the street with fuck all.
But the harsh facts are that our freedom to consume, to have cheap flights, to travel in our cars and vans on a whim, depends on Western corporates skewing the market in their favour and putting in these puppet governments. particularly with regard to food prices which are cheap in the rich countries.
If the protests are a real success, their result will be to introduce fairer governments. These will drive a harder bargain with the rich nations, pushing up the prices of food and oil further (they are already going up anyway due to shortages caused by ecological factors).
the real test of our solidarity will be whether we are prepared to accept higher prices in our nations and also adapt our consumption patterns to give these nations a chance to have fairer society – this might also involve scaling down our lifestyles..
it is perfectly possible to reduce our dependence on banks and governments, but we can’t continue to have it all here in the rich countries..
I’d do away with all thoese expensive bankers lifestyles to pay for some poor cunts food. We are only the ritch contaries because the people who own alot of the wealth reside here/america or china. O.K. we do have a better standard of living then alot of the world. we have roofs over our head and clean water and “an abundance” of redly avalible food, but there’s more then enough to go round providine the people hoarding it give it up (which they wont do easily because of greed and power).
@Lt Luna 417828 wrote:
Whoops I think I was half asleep when I wrote my last post :shy:
No not really, its just joining those rioting about soaps standards they seem to be the majority once their given free apps downloads go home and nothing changes
ANONYMOUS PRESS RELEASE
January 27, 2011
OPEN LETTER FROM ANONYMOUS TO THE UK GOVERNMENT
Dear UK government,
We are Anonymous. It has come to our attention that you deemed it necessary
to arrest five of our fellow anons for their participation in the DDoS
attacks against PayPal, Mastercard, and others, that have been carried out
in our name in retaliation for those organisations’ actions against WikiLeaks.
We understand you are planning to charge these fellow anons with offences
under the 1990 Computer Misuse Act, which prohibits impairing the operation
of a computer or the readability of data. Anonymous believes, however, that
pursuing this direction is a sad mistake on your behalf. Not only does it
reveal the fact that you do not seem to understand the present-day political
and technological reality, we also take this as a serious declaration of war
from yourself, the UK government, to us, Anonymous, the people.
First and foremost, it is important to realize what a DDoS attack exactly is
and what it means in the contemporary political context. As traditional means
of protest (peaceful demonstrations, sit-ins, the blocking of a crossroads
or the picketing of a factory fence) have slowly turned into nothing but an
empty, ritualised gesture of discontent over the course of the last century,
people have been anxiously searching for new ways to pressure politicians
and give voice to public demands in a manner that might actually be able
to change things for the better. Anonymous has, for now, found this new
way of voicing civil protest in the form of the DDoS, or Distributed Denial of
Service, attack. Just as is the case with traditional forms of protest, we block
access to our opponents infrastructure to get our message across. Whether
or not this infrastructure is located in the real world or in cyberspace, seems
completely irrelevant to us.
Moreover, we would like to take this opportunity to set the record straight
on the difference between a DDoS attack and hacking, as these concepts
often seem to be confounded when media and policy-makers talk about
Anonymous. Hacking as such is defined by the law as ‘unauthorised access
to a computer or network’, whereas a DDoS attack is simply a case of
thousands of people making legitimate connections to a publicly accessible
webserver at the same time, using up the entire bandwidth or processing
power of the given server at once and thereby causing a huge ‘traffic jam’.
ANONYMOUS PRESS RELEASE
January 27, 2011
It is clear then, that arresting somebody for taking part in a DDoS attack
is exactly like arresting somebody for attending a peaceful demonstration
in their hometown. Anonymous believes this right to peacefully protest
is one of the fundamental pillars of any democracy and should not be
restricted in any way. Moreover, we have noted that similar attacks have
also been carried out against Wikileaks itself, yet so far, nobody has been
arrested in connection with these attacks, nor are there even any signs
of an investigation into this issue at all. Yet, we know exactly who was
responsible for that attack. Anonymous believes it is unfair and hypocritical
to attempt to put these 5 arrested anons to trial without even attempting to
find those who DDoS’ed a website which you oppose. We can therefore
only assume that these arrests are politically motivated, and were being
carried out under pressure from the US government. Anonymous can not,
and will not, stand idle while this injustice is being done.
Furthermore, the maximum sentence these 5 anons could be given under
the Computer Misuse Act is 10 years imprisonment and a fine of up to
£5000. We want you to realize just how ridiculous these sentences are,
especially given the exact nature of a DDoS attack and its lack of permanent
damage to the target website. To hand out these kinds of harsh sentences
(even to minors!) would effectively ruin their life, taking away their chance
at higher education or even any kind of proper future, simply because they
participated in a peaceful cyber-protest and stood up for their rights. A fine
as high as £5000 would also put an incredible strain on the minors’ families.
We hope that you consider changing the legal framework for what is, at
worst, a minor offence.
And last but not least: The fact that thousands of people from all over the
world felt the need to participate in these attacks on organisations targeting
Wikileaks and treating it as a public threat, rather than a common good,
should be something that sets you thinking. You can easily arrest individuals,
but you cannot arrest an ideology. We are united by a common objective
and we can and WILL cross any borders to achieve that. So our advice to
you, the UK government, is to take this statement as a serious warning from
the citizens of the world. We will not rest until our fellow anon protesters
have been released.
Awaiting your action,
Anonymous
@Lt Luna 417815 wrote:
If the Western can no longer can buy iphones, watch trash TV. Then there will be riots.
If everyone turned against the governments / banks we could defeat them.
So we defeat the current system, then what? sounds like survival of the fittest would kick in on a large scale and slowly new figures of power would take over who would be a lot worse than some rich bankers who were most probably born into the power.
If you were born into millions and millions of pounds you’d love it. think people judge people quite harshly when they are probably just like any of us but fucking lucky and rich.
the main protest group in Egypt who is standing up to the Government is a Islamic one – who seem to having the upper hand, although many of the Police are being stubborn and (unlike in Serbia) not immediately siding with the protestors.
I am certainly not so prejudiced to think the “Muslim Brotherhood” opposition group are any sort of threat to the West, they could in fact do a lot of good providing they remain moderate. (the hardline Islam in Iran came as a consequence of a similar revolution in 1979, something the Iranians are now pointing out to the World’s media).
it is possible the protesters are in fact more moderate than the current Government! Islam does strike a good balance between hard work/commercial business and communities/family values and is supposed to have more safeguards against greed – it discourages and prohibits “usury” (the charging of interest or excessive speculation) – yet encourages and permits ethical business.
I do fear how some of the “Western” media (particularly that originating from the USA) might spin any régime change that occurs in this part of the world, especiallly if it does (and it will) affect the stock markets and commodity prices.
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