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August 9, 2011 at 8:39 am

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Lt Luna

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I am getting sick of everyone’s aggression towards the rioters. Yet they will happily let the suits of this world screw us over.

OK the rioters shouldn’t shit on their own doorstep and it is not cool being opportunists. It is just showing mindless greed.

But we should all look at the bigger picture. Why is this happening? Something is deeply wrong with our society for people to start rioting in the streets.
August 9, 2011 at 10:11 am

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DaftFader

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Google Riot Maps …

London riots / UK riots: verified areas – Google Maps
August 9, 2011 at 5:58 pm

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Tank Girl

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@Lt Luna 446914 wrote:

I am getting sick of everyone’s aggression towards the rioters. Yet they will happily let the suits of this world screw us over.

OK the rioters shouldn’t shit on their own doorstep and it is not cool being opportunists. It is just showing mindless greed.

But we should all look at the bigger picture. Why is this happening? Something is deeply wrong with our society for people to start rioting in the streets.

I must say I’m not suprised this has happened under yet another tory government – but WTF???

these kids are even saying on TV they are not doing it for political reasons, I’ve heard excuses from it makes their gang look better to – its school holidays and they are bored, etc

as I’ve said in other posts –

yes they are angry and disillusioned but what fucking right gives them to them set on fire peoples homes?? (in just one block 26 families lost EVERYTHING they owned, and thats just one incident),
set fire to local business – which then will make more people out of work –
loot shops – I mean is a new pair of trainers gonna make it all better? which may mean people who are working hard to keep their families together are out of a job or loose their livelyhood – or those who have been injured trying to protect their homes?? etc

when people all over the place are loosing their jobs, and homes due to the ecconomic down turn

and is it gonna help the cuts ?
how much is it gonna cost to police it?
fire brigades,
ambulances?
clean up –
insurance,
nhs? etc etc

now if they really felt strongly about their futures they most certainly dont want arson on their record – it will seriously fuck up their future!! it is one of the most worst things to be done for as the risk to life and damage is emmence….

if they felt strongly about their future why arnt they getting together and fighting the system in different ways –

I’m not saying I have any solutions or ideas but they can fuck right off if they think that attacking thier communities is the right way to go about anything

and the fucking government can fuck off too!!! I’m glad they got such a heckelling when they went on their ‘tours’ of the damage…….too fucking late!!
they let the bankers fuck us up the arse – and people are feeling it – but I believe that is still no reason to be a cunt

I mean how is this helping any one??

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(if link dont work ‪London Riots – Scum steal from injured boy.‬‏ – YouTube)
August 9, 2011 at 7:00 pm

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dubstep_joe

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@Lt Luna 446914 wrote:

I am getting sick of everyone’s aggression towards the rioters. Yet they will happily let the suits of this world screw us over.

OK the rioters shouldn’t shit on their own doorstep and it is not cool being opportunists. It is just showing mindless greed.

But we should all look at the bigger picture. Why is this happening? Something is deeply wrong with our society for people to start rioting in the streets.

I agree with Tank Girl, but as to why this is happening I’m guessing it just opportunity/little police offence…
August 9, 2011 at 7:10 pm

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dubstep_joe

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Check this out! Hackers Deface BlackBerry Blog Over London Riot BBM Assistance | News & Opinion | PCMag.com “”You Will _NOT_ assist the UK Police because if u do innocent members of the public who were at the wrong place at the wrong time and owned a blackberry will get charged for no reason at all, the Police are looking to arrest as many people as possible to save themselves from embarrassment,” TriCk, “
August 10, 2011 at 2:51 am

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DaftFader

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IMO it started cos people where pissed off, it’s continued cos of people jumping on the band wagon.
August 10, 2011 at 4:26 am

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@Lt Luna 446914 wrote:

I am getting sick of everyone’s aggression towards the rioters. Yet they will happily let the suits of this world screw us over.

to be honest, i don’t think they contribute anything positive to society, they take way from it. so it would be no loss if they were all just shot. maybe it’s a harsh view but whatever. send them out to afghanistan, or out to somalia where they won’t get their dole money and they’ll understand how hard life COULD be and how lucky they are to live in britain.
August 10, 2011 at 10:40 am

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It is very unfortunate that we should have such eventualities within this country, and that the primary proponent has been the notion that these youths are made to feel that they have the opportunity to do whatever they want to without recourse or consequence, as long as they are within their collective. I was watching the BBC today in an interview with one several youths out to see what they could get, at first they tried to say they had nothing to do with what was happening and then after being challenged as to why that were choosing to hide their faces suggesting that they indeed had something to hide, that they eventually owned up to say that they were out so see what they could get.

It is an unfortunate that such people, clearly lacking in all types of humility, morality and social conformity are those that give our nation such deep an impression to prospective visitors and leave us all cringing in deep embarrassment. One such youth was challenged and became frustrated that he could not get the words out. They may feel that the world owes them a favour, and that they feel as though they have been badly treated, but they have to think – why is it they are treated in such ways? It is because they have repeatedly proven that they are incapable of acting in a civil way.

These are the people complaining that there are no jobs and that they are penalised for being of a certain creed or origin, and then in contrast, they would quite happily devastate family business that people have spent all of their honest lives building. No matter what is said, no matter how much they plea of their misfortunes, this is a mask or a shroud to make them feel justified in their actions. The truth is, they would rather have something for nothing than to work hard and pay for it, and the reason they do not like the police, is that all too often they prevent them from doing what it is that they want to be doing.

There is no doubt about it, we live in an age of social degradation where opportunists strike when they feel that there is room to do so. This past week has been very dark indeed for our country and it is a stark reminder that beneath the woodwork there is extreme social dysfunctionally, deep rooted under-educatedness being one of the primary constituents. It is also unfortunate that such people will continue to perpetuate the behaviour throughout this century. We are all the sum of our experiences and those that hang together behave in the same way and it is this learned process, by being in a collective situation that enables such behaviours to manifest. We should aim to separate such individuals and disperse them. If only the decade were 40 years ago, how might the situation been dealt with? No nonsense and punishment was accurate. We have done this to ourselves for imposing too many regulations / restrictions against direct punishment and these people know all too well what they can and what they cannot get away with in the eyes of the law.

To everyone out there that has acted callously, destroying lives and peoples livelihoods – you sicken me and everyone else within these wonderful lands.

London Voice

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August 12, 2011 at 11:32 pm

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imported_manaman

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@hat 446997 wrote:

to be honest, i don’t think they contribute anything positive to society, they take way from it. so it would be no loss if they were all just shot. maybe it’s a harsh view but whatever. send them out to afghanistan, or out to somalia where they won’t get their dole money and they’ll understand how hard life COULD be and how lucky they are to live in britain.

On mare st there’s nothing for them to say this is our high st, they never got a saterday job to work the till, clean the stores and so on, its given to the shop owners families, they have no association to these high streets. Have you been on the dole? Its depressing, i had to stop it after awhile and force myself to do something, but if i had gone to all saints in sw3, then i’d be doing well not to be sent straight to jail.What about afganies, somalians dont they have enough without us sending them our problem children?
August 13, 2011 at 11:30 am

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p0ly

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@manaman 447393 wrote:

On mare st there’s nothing for them to say this is our high st, they never got a saterday job to work the till, clean the stores and so on, its given to the shop owners families, they have no association to these high streets. Have you been on the dole? Its depressing, i had to stop it after awhile and force myself to do something, but if i had gone to all saints in sw3, then i’d be doing well not to be sent straight to jail.What about afganies, somalians dont they have enough without us sending them our problem children?

no ones sending people to poor countries, the post was related to ‘you don’t know what you got til it’s gone’.
August 13, 2011 at 1:59 pm

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imported_manaman

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That All Saints school i spoke about above is in SE3 not sw3, remember two or three years ago when a teacher lost the head and put a 15 year old in hospital, a few months later three teens from the same school i think, were given life sentences for murder. Imagine being sent to schools like that, Maybe its us who dont know how lucky we are in this country
December 13, 2011 at 2:06 pm

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sinner69

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A.C.A.B.! liars they are, you get the youth you deserve, treat them like thrash and they will bite…

Police faked evidence and used dum-dum bullets to kill Mark Duggan – UK Indymedia
December 13, 2011 at 2:48 pm

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General Lighting

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Whilst metpol have always tried fitting people up for about 40 years, at least since the 1970s/1980s The UK armed Police (and those of many other EU countries as well as nearly every other civillian constabulary which is armed) routinely use semi jacketed rounds. They are not hollow points or dum dums (this term in long since obsolete) but 9x19mm parabellum semi-jacketed semi wadcutter and its not even a state secret, its openly discussed is a book from the 1980s called “The Strong Arm of the Law” written by Professor PAJ Waddington, a professor of criminology in Reading University.

There was a lot of concern about their introduction in the 70s/80s but the cops across the world have argued that their advantage is unlike a pointed military round they do not overpenetrate and hit innocent bystanders, whereas in a war normally the people they are shooting at are the enemy troops so it doesn’t matter if you hit one soldier or the one behind them. its only recently and before the riots happened they were testing hollow points and might introduce them next year..

Plus if Anders Brevin used similar rounds he must surely have been able to legally obtain them in Norway (as can most American citizens, though laws vary from state to state) so Indymedia really can’t compare England with a country with totally different laws.

Its actually way harder for a London cop to get hold of a gun than 30 years ago when nearly everyone in CID was allowed them and often kept them insecurely at home (and yes they shot a lot more innocent people by accident back then and fitted up even more). Also private citizens especially from richer areas had many more guns until 1995 when a nonce shot up a entire primary school in Scotland before killing himself because the feds were ignoring a freemason’s or similar agreement not to grass him up.

However the riots were caused by social problems in London which have been left to fester since I was a little boy in the 1970s. I grew up in the same area they happened in and my parents left for SE England in 1977 because it was getting unsafe and similar things were happening back then. Cops are a small part of a much bleaker picture, it is why I do not choose to live in or near London any more.

70 miles NW we have armed cops and they end up not shooting anybody and rescuing injured cats from the side of the road (they used a protocol intended for livestock to take the cat to a vet on full blues and high speed, where it was treated, recovered and returned to its owners) – though to be fair they are also specialist traffic officers and it made more sense to do this than risk the cat wandering back into the road and causing a big crash …
December 13, 2011 at 3:05 pm

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General Lighting

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incidentally the report Indymedia have quoted claiming metpol is switching to hollow points (which even then would only put it in line with many other armed civillian police units worldwide) is dated May 2011 with introduction start date of Summer 2012. Even in the 70s/80s the cops did not go around shooting everyone but picked certain groups of people who had some involvement or association with criminals. It is a incorrect and wrong thing to do but workers of any organisation will try to bend the rules to their advantage, especially in large organisations of large cities.

incidentally the armed cops also got hauled up for playing the same joke Daftfader mentioned, by introducing 80s song lyrics into a report about someone they had fatally shot (who had been waving a gun around TBH but was mentally ill).
December 13, 2011 at 3:22 pm

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The only thing I an sick off is talking about a tinny tinny % of a population being given a bigger voice than they deserve because they are good at getting in the media. Plus they must smell by now.
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