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  • ‘Charter for ravers’ fear over dance licence axe allowing all-night dance events to go ahead without needing permission | Mail Online

    Soon semi-legit parties may be legal (i.e. if there is no trespassing involved)

    “”All-night dance events for 5,000 revellers could go ahead without a licence after ministers said restrictions were ‘hobbling the Big Society’.

    They are expected to scrap laws forcing organisers to gain permission from the police and councils as this dents ‘community creativity and expression’.

    The free-for-all would strip away powers to object to events – at whatever time of day or night they are planned.

    Bob Smytherman, chairman of the Federation of Private Residents’ Associations, said: ‘This is really worrying. It’s absolutely a ravers’ charter.’
    Fears: Critics say the plans may lead to rave a free for all

    Fears: Critics say the plans may lead to rave a free for all

    But Tourism Minister John Penrose said the current rules were ‘inconsistent and illogical’.

    He added: ‘This is a golden opportunity to deregulate and give the Big Society a boost.’

    A policy document does, however, note that senior police officers suggest a maximum of 500 people at an unlicensed event.

    Cllr Chris White, chairman of the Local Government Association’s culture board praised the proposals for cutting red tape for amateur plays and concerts.
    Boost: Tourism Minister John Penrose says the plans will help with the Tory Big Society proposals

    Boost: Tourism Minister John Penrose says the plans will help with the Tory Big Society proposals

    He said: ‘Organisers should not be deterred by red tape and we are firmly behind any effort to make the licensing process as quick, easy and transparent as possible.’

    But he added: ‘As democratically-elected bodies, local authorities have an important role to play in ensuring events are suitable and safe for the areas in which they are to be held.

    ‘Any changes to the licensing laws should strike a balance which ensures councils are still able to protect people who attend public events as well as those who work and live nearby.’

    Nightclubs, pubs and bars still need licences in order to sell drink but the change would allow one-off events in warehouses and other private premises.

    A spokesman for the Department for Culture, Media and Sport said: ‘We are not going to legalise raves. They will continue to be illegal under the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994.

    ‘Crime and disorder at events more generally is normally associated with availability of alcohol. In these instances, events can be controlled through the alcohol licence.

    ‘There is also a legal duty of care on event organisers in terms of ensuring the safety of staff, performers and the general public at events, and this can include liaising with the relevant safety authorities.’”

    the reality is just that they are considering moving to a existing policy in France (and maybe other EU nations) which allows small events with up to 500 people to occur but without needing to apply for TENS. CJA also applys to legal events which get out of control as well as unlicensed ones and still allows residents to whine.

    Also other criminal and civil laws related to health and safety, noise control and drugs laws will all still apply, and 500 people are only going to be allowed in a gathering with sufficient space and fire safety and security to keep them safe. CJA has very rarely been used against a licensed event (I think once in 2005 at a UK Garage event in South London, where rival gangs were battering each other in a fight what spilled out into several residential areas and TBH I think the cops were justified in using it) but it has happened.

    Amazingly, the most sensible voice in that Daily Mail debate is that of the cops (who quoted a more accurate and feasible figure of 500).

    drugs laws still apply? Bah what’s the point *throws rave blueprints in the bin*

    Whilst this isn’t the Netherlands (and drugs aren’t actually tolerated there but more correctly grudgingly endured, gedoben is hard to translate completely into English) where they consider the dance scene as slightly more acceptable (though not as much as those who only read English may think) – unless promoters are clearly funding a event blatantly through laundered drugs money (in which case they will end up with detectives investigating them) moderate personal drug use at or associated with dance events hasn’t been viewed as a major issue for the last decade.

    It would of course make sense more those holding or attending such a event not to rack up lines in front of the local SNT when they arrive “just to check everyone is OK” as bobbies tend to do, but they really only get concerned when people can’t handle their substances and either end up in the ambulance or they bring personal disputes to raves and/or drugs/booze exacerbate the situation (or it is linked to unpaid drugs debts) and they start kicking off at one another

    I’ll have to ask a local Councillor I am on friendly terms with about this, although he’s recently been moved from Licensing to Transport.

    Government plans to slash live entertainment red tape

    to be fair the mp dude is trying to give folk a chance.

    Recorded Music and Entertainment Facilities: Questions
    Q41: Do you think that, using the protections outlined in Chapter 3, recorded music should be deregulated for audiences of fewer than 5,000 people? If not, please state reasons and evidence of harm.
    Q42: If you feel that a different audience limit should apply, please state the limit that you think suitable and the reasons why this limit is the right one.
    Q43: Are there circumstances where you think recorded music should continue to require a licence? If so, please could you give specific details and the harm that could be caused by removing the requirement?
    Q44: Any there any other benefits or problems associated specifically with the proposal to deregulate recorded music?
    Q45: Are there any specific instances where Entertainment Facilities need to be regulated by the Licensing Act, as in the current licensing regime? If so, please provide details.
    Department for Culture, Media and Sport
    Regulated Entertainment
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    Chapter 11: Clearing up unintended consequences: clear laws and clear guidance
    Introduction
    11. There is a great deal of evidence that licensing authorities and event’s organisers find parts of the Licensing Act 2003 very difficult to interpret. The 2003 Act is a voluminous and highly complex piece of legislation, and this has led to different interpretations across licensing authorities. In this chapter we would be grateful for views on this issue, and on how best to ensure greater clarity around entertainment licensing, notwithstanding the proposals to remove most regulated entertainment set out earlier in this document.
    Clear laws and clear guidance
    11.1. Where it is possible to clear up any problematic issues with regard to regulated entertainment we would like to take the opportunity to do so via this consultation.
    Adult entertainment
    11.2. We see no reason to deregulate adult entertainment and this consultation is not seeking views on this issue.
    11.3. Although adult entertainment is not specified in Schedule One to the Licensing Act 2003 as a licensable activity, the Act does play a part in the current controls process.
    11.4. The Policing and Crime Act 2009 amended the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1982 to make provision for the regulation of “sexual entertainment venues”. As a result, venues that hold regular performance of adult entertainment,
    Unintended consequences: Questions
    Q46: Are
    this

    I’m a bit concerned by the lack of media coverage TBH other than this one critical report, especially as even lefties like Fergal Sharkey have also supported the changes – also despite being a private homeowner for 5 years I’ve never heard of a “federation of private residents”, plus its not rocket science that if you don’t want to hear loud music you don’t move into a big city in the centre of the nightlife district 😉

    even if this goes through without complaints/amendments it could take 6 months to a year to implement correctly and it still would allow feds to close down events they think are unsafe – and its already possible to hold a legal rave event on TENS even in the most hostile regions of the UK…

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