Just seeing how people feel on the subject. Not posting any experiences I may have had, in the unlikely event that skews the poll.
Well the justice system is obviously flawed, where rupert murdoch can tell porky pies to parliment and get found out, and all he had to do was appologise. I know he’s got more to come but just saying we can get criminal convictons for tiny by comparison “crimes” like drug possession (can’t spell) and fat cats can lie to parliment and get told to say sorry.
I voted yes. There are plenty of laws that I don’t personally agree with (tbh mainly things like drug/party laws that get in the way of me having fun but aren’t massively important) and also there are far too many unelected people that have a say in our legal system, but compared with a lot of other countries I’d say ours is pretty fair. At least we can have a discussion like this on a public forum without fearing any repercussions from the state. And re: option 2, don’t violent people need to be controlled? Can’t say I’m a huge fan of violence.
its not perfect but has changed loads in our lifetime. I know older people have had a rough time from them for trying to buck the system in the 70s and 80s and things still aren’t good for lower classes especially minority groups in urban areas, but I am myself non white, live on a working class estate (albeit in the “private” sector bit), have been arrrested a few times and have a minor criminal record.
nowadays minor drugs posession results in a caution which is a crimnal record but isn’t even a conviction (I had to research this as I might volunteer for the community radio station and they enforce CRB checks). The present government has basically said all small posession (including now controlled RC’s and new ones if the offender is caught in a situation where they clearly are being used for human consumption) only warrant a caution.
Murdoch and his cronies haven’t been completely let off the hook either. The case is ongoing, A whole newspaper of his has closed, Several of his staff who were more closely involved in the interception of the phone calls have been arrested and had their houses raided, which is still a traumatic experience for middle class folk what think they are “within the law”. Also I know plenty of ravers what used to buy their papers as the Guardian was “too diffficult to read and pretntious”.
TBH I now find many police officers and other authority figures within place likes senior healthcare management (including mental health) to be far less judgemental and angry in their views than the ordinary person, especially when it comes to matters regarding race, religion or contentious lifestyles. I am personally aware of many occasions where the Police have intervened to stop people taking matters into their own hands in alternative communities which would have resulted in a spate of tit for tat revenge attac ks and even murders.
at the same time there are loads of folk wider British who would like to see this site shut down as it openly discusses hard drugs use. we are regularly reported to and monitored by various authorities in the UK and foreign nations, and yet are permitted to exist, and our incoming traffic shows users even from countries with harsh regimes being openly able to access this site. Many cannot post for fear of being traced, but they can at least read here.
All law is corrupt and failed towards the preservation of those who make them. I disregard law as I feel its all a load of bollocks. I do what I want and don’t answer to anyone, least of all the legal system.
Conclusion is, no law is right. There all made to enslave, destroy and in americas case, get away with genocide.
@Keyser Söze 479127 wrote:
All law is corrupt and failed towards the preservation of those who make them. I disregard law as I feel its all a load of bollocks. I do what I want and don’t answer to anyone, least of all the legal system.
Conclusion is, no law is right. There all made to enslave, destroy and in americas case, get away with genocide.
What about the laws against rape and murder? Or assault? Or keeping a slave?
There’s been like 4 murders in the past year where I am. The law doesn’t work as the murderers have never been found or caught. 4 months ago a 14 year old girl easy raped here, the ‘law’ did nowt.
There a local thug, a one b.champney, this creature is wanted all over the country by the law and by yardies, pikies and everyone else. The law wouldn’t arrest him because they said it was against his rights of fredom, this is after he fractured a man’s skull for for fun and nearly killed him. The chap in question pressed charges but it was dropped because champney claimed to be in a bad place mentally. Where is the justice? You nearly kill a man for fun and get away with it….the law doesn’t work. At all.
To much shit about human rights, as far as I see it, your kill or rape or sumin like that, you don’t have any rights. Slavery hasn’t been abolished, what do think temping on minimum wage is? Average 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week with no choice. As for assault, that’s a law that is purely for exploiting just like whip lash. I could have some one done for assault for poking me in the arm.
This the way I see it, I’m gonna be in the wrong for my opinions, I always am, but I do see where everyone else comes from. I just don’t think the law is enough.
it depends on region a lot.
TVP are under resourced for the population size of the area and also the amount of motorways/fast roads – before airwave I used to listen on scanner and it was surprising to the unitiated how few coppers actually are on duty. bear in mind also a lot of coppers’ time (not just black rats) is taken up dealing with the aftermath of road traffic collisions. specialist units like CID and dogs are expensive especially to deploy at night.
This is unfortunately also why people think its a good area for raves/parties. its because there is too much other violent crime, not because the cops are soft. But now the violence has spilled over into the music events. Similar situations exist in metpol and avsom areas.
Here in Suffolk the bulk of murderers, rapists and violent folk are caught and go to prison for a long time – and yet this is a area full of stubborn people where best friends will fight to the death due to a disagreement they had in middle school and that was the case even when we had hanging (its a lot like Asia in many respects) There has been a rise in robberies but matched with a similar rise in arrests. This is however because its a less densley populated area with a lot of folk with strong moral/religious views (a variety of faith) who will swallow their pride and report incidents even if they don’t agree with “the system” – for instance most of my cycling group are lefties/greens/anarchists but if folk are driving or even cycling like idiots they will tell the authorities.
that said I think the main barrier between the Police and younger people is drugs being criminalised. this understandably makes folk wary of all authorities, and takes up coppers’ time which could be used for solving violent crime.
BTW for all the faults of Murdoch and his family (and I disagree with their politics and business methods), they started out as a respectable legit family business, producing licensed media and then went on to criminal levels of dishonesty and illegal methods of monitoring private and public service communications.
the only moral difference between me and someone like James Murdoch (other than he has a lot more cash) is I did things the other way round.
would be preferable if the police had some sort of chav exclusion test
The police might be of any use if we Fuck the eu off. I’m not saying its bad but the eu has killed this country IMO
Hmm. Lot of opinions here.
I guess the only thing we have in common is… there’s plenty room for improvement.
I suppose I could have put more options on the poll but I wanted to keep it fairly simple – kinda positive, kinda negative (the What Law?) and the totally irrelevent (Middle one). Although I guess it depends on your individual life experience.
Mine sucks so bad I don’t even want to talk about. At all. Even to the cops who are so FUCKING friendly to me now and… ah, shit, forget I asked. Please. :{…
@Кеисер Созе 479127 wrote:
All law is corrupt and failed towards the preservation of those who make them. I disregard law as I feel its all a load of bollocks. I do what I want and don’t answer to anyone, least of all the legal system.Conclusion is, no law is right. There all made to enslave, destroy and in americas case, get away with genocide.
Personally i believe in the right to bare arms and to kill a man for diss’n ya’, without even been asked to leave the pub. I feel it would make for a more repectful and friendly society. Most cops will give you every chance, if your not abusive or hav’nt got a history of violence. There is a guy, a killer and a crim around here, they now it as fact but they can’t convict him, so last week when he was about to head for jamaica, they take him in for questioning about nothing and make him miss his flight. They might not be able to convict him, but they can drip feed him some karma
@manaman 479591 wrote:
Personally i believe in the right to bare arms and to kill a man for diss’n ya’, without even been asked to leave the pub. I feel it would make for a more repectful and friendly society. Most cops will give you every chance, if your not abusive or hav’nt got a history of violence. There is a guy, a killer and a crim around here, they now it as fact but they can’t convict him, so last week when he was about to head for jamaica, they take him in for questioning about nothing and make him miss his flight. They might not be able to convict him, but they can drip feed him some karma
Same fella, I fully approve of vigilantyism (spelling?) But only to an extent. Eye for and eye and everyone would.be blind kinda thing, although…..I spent the first 3 years of secondary school being bullied, I know where the culprit lives, I could go round and take ownership of his hands and make a pair of ash trays. He deserves it, I tried to kill my self in year 7 it was that bad! But if I did go around with my machete, I’d be no better than him. It’s a fine line I feel….
@know_hope 479210 wrote:
would be preferable if the police had some sort of chav exclusion test
there’s an old saying “be careful what you wish for”.
I now live way outside metpol and TVP areas in a place where the bulk of coppers certainly aren’t chavs or knuckledraggers. (to be fair TVP weren’t that bad and a lot of metpol’s problems come from the constabulary’s huge size in comparison to provincial equivalents). but it is the failings of these larger constabularies what let things like free parties slip through the net, not a culture of tolerance or acceptance.
here in Suffolk many officers, especially in senior ranks, are very intelligent, with proper university degrees in things like history and criminology (not stuff like Sports studies). the cops at the frontline know how to use force when needed but by and large (at least in Suffolk) don’t throw their weight about without reason, though if folk take the piss they will get heavy.
The cops in my local area not only had some idea who I was, (even as then a relative newcomer to Sufffolk) but also exactly which foreign law enforcement agencies to contact if they needed something on here censored and I or the other mods wasn’t willing to do so. In the end it never came to that as we are sensible enough not to blatantly support highly illegal activities when they have already caused violent incidents,
also the way they dealt with the 2006 murders did change my views of the Police a lot, even when things could have got a lot more personal. I will state now that whilst I do not use sex workers, the nature of the suspect profiles they were using and the “small town/small world” community of Ipswich meant that at one point in 06/07 I was wholly expecting my door to get knocked at any point, as one suspect profile (at least until they realised the offender was a bit older) was 30 something men who had links with the night time lifestyles and many younger friends.
and to be fair they did catch the killer quite quickly, and ensured he was given the longest tarriff that a criminal can get in the uk. however to prevent a reoccurence of this and other unpleasant incidents around that time, they have totally locked down much of night life in this town. incidentally many of the ideas came from existing good practice in the Netherlands (especially the deployment of the “hit squad” in Amsterdam)
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