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@`Matt 482276 wrote:
There was about 20 systems however most of them where link ups, think in total there was about 7 different “stages”. Personally the tek didnt go that well for me, brought a nice system out only for our genny to power surge and fry our processor at the start of the night :(. Never managed to get the whole system running because of this and endding up de rigging at about 10 due to our cabs having half an inch of water in them. The weather was abit intense aswell, if it had of been sunny it could of been phat tho.
Glad people came and tidyed up aswell, i did 4 bin bags myself before i gave up. The air field was literarly covered in ballons at one point.
@General Lighting 482305 wrote:
shame – a harsh lesson to learn (which is why I am always fussy about electric power wherever it comes from).
little could be done about the weather. I did manage to download a weather map or two via the HF radio (these are the proper military grade ones) and basically all of Northern Europe got all the weather at once….
Snap GL hence why I always use Diesel Genny’s as they don’t surge the way petrol ones do….
We where using a diesel and she still surged, think in future we are going to have nothing connected when firing it up. Lesson learnt i guess. After french tek and now this uktek we have come up with a way to tarp the fuck out of our system so no water gets though aswell 🙂 guess its all a learning curve really.
@`Matt 482369 wrote:
We where using a diesel and she still surged, think in future we are going to have nothing connected when firing it up. Lesson learnt i guess.
Unless the genset is so designed to cope with such treatment its not good practice starting it on load.
Especially not modern digital kit which can have a strong inrush current when starting up (way more than the usual power demand). A old man at a former employer (who really should have known better) blew out the service head fuses by turning on a bench full of AV equipment all at once. Whole fucking place was off supply until SSE came to replace them, also took out the phone system. the losses from that wiped out the profit of this big job for a key client.
Newer gensets especially diesels have fancy electronics to monitor and protect the power quality, but this is all fairly recently. For critical kit even at home/work you shouldn’t even trust what the electric company are sending down the wire until you have checked it against what it is supposed to be. Both the BBC and ITV have been royally hosed this way (400V where only 230V is expected doesn’t do equipment any good at all either).
UPS units are cheap enough even for your home studio though (and whats in the new gensets is often electronics to a UPS minus the batteries)…
Coincidentally looking at the earlier posts on a large thread on partyflock (1370+ pages!!) about DJ equipment this was mentioned.
dieselaggregaat is stabieler dus aan te raden, als ik een aggregaat gebruik, zet ik er voor de zekerheid meestal ook nog overspanningsbeveiliging tussen.
als je ergens buiten staat moet je eigenlijk je aggregaat ook aarden (aardepunt zoeken of anders een aardepin in de grond slaan).
diesel genset is more stable and thus advised for use, and if I use a genset, I set up up for (electric) safety but also use anti surge protection equipment.
if you are outside you really must earth the genset – find an earth point (maybe they provide these in random places of Holland for anyone wanting to set up a sound system!!) or put an earthing stake into the ground. The surge protectors they use are the same ones you get from any electrical goods place for computers but of course for the different electric socket used there.
indeed it is good practice for electrical safety and avoiding bad audio problems. Further posts go quite in depth about the difference between class A and D amplifiers, the power supplies and how to get enough power at the genset. The dutch folk are smart and have lots of nice kit too and want it to sound good..
@General Lighting 482426 wrote:
its not good practice starting it on load.
WORD. Do NOT START THE AMP UNTIL THE GENNY IS STEADY.
I have seen army surplus places offering 2nd hand BIG capacitors that would help, but it’s really just common sense about when you turn the amp on.
I’ve shifted this into its own thread as its a really important subject and seems to be neglected outside Northern Europe.
All AV equipment must have earth/ground of some sort. But it serves two purposes. you have “signal earth” which is a reference point above which anything in the circuit is electricity you want to be there, it may be your music, or a radio signal from a far away foreign land. however all signals transmitted any distance have noise, and special components are used to dump this noise into the ground rails where it does not get received or heard. It is also used (though rarely nowadays) for signalling purposes in telecoms, as telephone lines are usually -50V above earth and so earthing them can be used to show a line is required to make a call.
but there is also protective earth. This is to stop people being electrocuted from equipment where metal is exposed. if this equipment had a wiring fault and a mains wire broke lose, all the metal in it could become alive to 230V! but if the metal is also connected to earth, then this fault current should go to earth and BAM! the fuse will blow or circuit breaker trip. otherwise whoever is holding on to it at the time is sparked instead.
Unfortunately as discussed on here elsewhere there is a conflict due to this being a source of inteference to audio signals, but all equipment with any metal in it connected to the electric mains must have both – its a legal requirement worldwide and folk who have tried to remove protective earth to stop audio problems have been killed.
Just to add a little technical note that might help – nearly everybody reckons that banging a big spike into the ground gives you a “pure” Earth. That isn’t quite the case.
See, the Earth is a huge great capacitor that takes charge. One electron can reasonate across the whole system in about 1/7th of a second. So there is a fundamental hum to planet Earth (called, the Schumann reasonance).
If you want to isolate audio from this basic harmonic (about 7-11Hz, varies at location and time of day) then you have to build some extra very low pass filters to the the audio ground point.
Hope this helps somebody. Thing is with extreme sub bass like that, can affect behaviour TREMENDOUSLY without people even being able to consciously hear the stuff.
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