Im looking at buying some bass bins to go with a few other bits and pieces some mates have got together, but for my job i work with vulnerable adults. currently i have a completely clean CRB check, apart from 3 points on my driving license.
can i get in trouble for owning the speakers? if so, what and how?
i know that i can get in trouble for taking them out for little shindigs and such, but to what extent, and what could i do to stop this, or is there a loop hole, or some strategy we can use to evade mr plod?
and info would be useful, cheers 🙂
I’m not too sure on the law – I’m sure someone will be able to help you out on that one, but when it comes to keeping a clean CRB I recon common sense is your best bet,
If you think it is dodge and you might get nicked dont do it – unless you dont mind jepordising your job, or registration to professional body if you have one.
i work in the same industry but in a ICT management position. my CRB is not clean and contains drugs offences.
you certainly won’t get in trouble for owning AV kit a hobby (or I would be locked up in HMP Chelmsford by now) but if you get caught for illegal raves its judged as that you won’t follow established rules, nor pay the accepted rate for public services and that counts more harshly on your character.
Also you will be suspected more of any drugs diversion what might happen and worse others will be watching out for you if they think you might be snappy on a comedown.
TBH where I work the 3 points would be seen as worse than liking music, but I don’t know what its like where you are. The other problem is that if you get caught your whole name is put in the paper and it affects your employers as they might not want to put nan or grandad in somewhere what employs criminals. if you were one of my staff and worked well I’d just say to the directors – well, he is 18 and I was no better if not worse back then but not everyone might be as right on as that. TBH my young staff are more shocked by my lifestyle if anything.
however everyone likes music and AV stuff, you might be able to turn things to your advantage – have a look at this for instance…
http://www.partyvibe.com/forums/blogs/general-lighting/97-pirate-tv-station-old-peoples.html
sorry, im a bit thick, i didnt really understand alot of that :L
pretty much, if i was doing a shindig, what could i get done for? and what could be the consequences?
i really appriciate the help, but im not really technical minded, and a bit high……
xxxx
@norfolk-partier 483052 wrote:
pretty much, if i was doing a shindig, what could i get done for? and what could be the consequences?
Basically, General Lighting is saying that if you throw unlicensed parties with your speakers and you are identified as supplying equipment or organising the party then you are wide open for a fine, a sentence, a slap on the wrist but most certainly a record. Your current and future employers may or may not have a problem with this but there is a strong chance you will be slung out and find it difficult to be employed in that line of work again.
Judging by your post you take and carry drugs though, which is also a risk. So it’s about weighing up the risk and deciding if it’s something you want to do considering the possible consequences. Like Tank Girl said, it’s mainly down to common sense.
What GL was also saying is that you could turn your interest in PA to do something positive for the people you work with. With his broadcasting knowledge he has installed a tv station in one of the homes he works in. Is there anything positive you think you could do for the vulnerable adults you work with using the the kit you might buy?
If getting a record is going to fuck your caereer choice up, dont do it. Ive got cautions for smoking weed (something which i pretty much never do now) and its already effected job oppertunies, complete bollocks but what can you do… I think the maximum you can get for an unlincensed event is 6 months and a huge fine although the jail rarely happens. However you have to be perpaired to face the full force of the law if you get done for a party.
If this hasnt put you off doing parties you need to make sure you are militant about how you do them. Make it as hard as you can for them to pin it on you. Afew basics:
– Dont talk about it in texts/on facebook with anyone, these can come back to haunt you as evidence
– Pick a good location (one with more than one exit and away from houses ideally)
– If police turn up respect them, get a non fucked person to explain that its well organized and will be tidyed up and argee a turn off time etc. That person should never let the police weather they are behind organizing the party or not. If they ask you, you are well within your right to “no comment” it and just say you are there to negioate and argee a turn off time etc.
– It wont always be as smooth as the above and they might try all sorts of tricks so read the relivant laws etc and wise up abit.
– Stick to your word but also dont trust them. If they try and do you for it “no comment” everything and get yourself a decent soilitor!
There are lots of ways you get make it very hard for mr plod to seize your kit but im not going to spill them all on a public fourm.
But all i can think of off the top of my head its late tho so probs missed some things
PS: where abouts in narfuck are you from?
if you got busted for a unlicensed event (or anything else) is it shows that you are someone what will simply disobey rules if you dont’ agree with them. in somewhere like health and social care this kind of dissent is unwanted as many of the rules (even if not always thought through properly) are genuinely intendeed to try and keep people safe (both service users and staff)
The public entertainment licensing system for parties (however much we may disagree with it) has been agreed by consensus of elected Councillors and central Government, and based around health and safety issues.
breaking it and holding a unlicensed event also shows that you disrespect others property rights – there is no right to play amplified music in Thetford Forest (which is shared public/private land) or on others private land without a license. The big acts what do this pay thousands for the use of the land alone as well as licensing costs.
You are allowed to walk or cycle there provided you keep out of the MOD restricted bits, but the whole of England and Wales “right to roam” stops at quiet recreation.
Plus involvement with drugs makes employers suspicious as they become concerned you might try and divert (steal) supplies intended for patients, or worse, if the service users are younger adults with mental health issues, to abuse your trust and manipulate them into involvement with drug dealing (such as using their social housing as a dealers’ safe house). Of course I don’t think you would do any of those things but there is no such thing as a “bright side” when it comes to security vetting. its all about the worst case scenario and no one is to be trusted. I wouldn’t even trust myself to do the job I do today if I was 18 again (nor would I want to TBH).
@`Matt 483116 wrote:
– It wont always be as smooth as the above and they might try all sorts of tricks so read the relivant laws etc and wise up abit.
– Stick to your word but also dont trust them. If they try and do you for it “no comment” everything and get yourself a decent soilitor!
even then info “leaks”, either deliberately or even accidentally. the “decent solicitor” may be the same one what handles the legal business of your employer!
They are supposed to keep confidentiality – and those making big money usually do (as they can get struck off) but they employ younger staff our age, and are paid just slightly more than your usual office admin. They haven’t got as much to lose and a bit to gain from holding others to judgement, even if its a personal thing as they are the sort of youths what studied hard whilst others partied.
So have your work colleagues – especially during bad economic times, as they can put a competitor for jobs/promotions out of the running by exposing someones lifestyle what could be a “security risk”.
Hence why my (unlicensed) partying days are in the past – i can of course get away with attending a club event now and then as its not illegal, but even then its now viewed as questionable morality (at least in England) for a 40 year old to be attending events popular with young people where it is known drugs are taken. Worse, If one kid keels over the ambo what takes them away might be driven by someone I might subsequently see at work later on.
Also police officers leak info to local employers – EA is a big area with a “small village” mentality.
All the CRBs, human rights and political correctness in the UK, EU or the World won’t stop this, especially in this region where folk are stubborn and opinionated, and many folk feel the justice system isn’t judgmental enough and take matters into their own hands.
Then there is simple lack of attention to detail – a few months ago I received a random voicemail from a solicitor the other side of the country, giving full details of someones property business transaction worth a 6 figure sum. it was clearly a wrong number dialled but in the end I actually traced the solicitor, called them back and explained the situation as someone would have been waiting for that important call and their livelihood might depend on it.
one final thing – as you are only 18 – worth thinking now are you doing this because you genuinely want to care for others, or is it “just a job” and a easy one to get in bad economic times?
this is the sort of career where its not good for you nor the patients if its just being done for the money, and what you might encounter at work added to the emotional effects of recreational drug use can be bad for your mental and physical health. I’ve seen some bad shit happen because of people who are young not being able to cope, thankfully no patients have suffered badly but the employee does, it fucks up their career record for anything and its not good for the company, each time it happens it makes bosses less trustworthy of all young employees, whether they are local or foreign.
but if it really is your chosen career choice then perhaps its worth knocking the partying on the head – I appreciate that would be difficult to do at 18. That said I asked one of my colleagues (who used to be a party head) and he said that he really did want to care for others since his teens, he quit hedonism and turned hardcore religious. I’m not suggesting you have to do the religious bit but its a way of improving self discipline…
@General Lighting 483193 wrote:
one final thing – as you are only 18 – worth thinking now are you doing this because you genuinely want to care for others, or is it “just a job” and a easy one to get in bad economic times?
yeah, ive got a connection to the company, and have known some of the clients since for ages, its a really nice job if you have a good relationship with everyone 🙂
and cheers for all the infomation people, will have to go have a think and a chat with the otherpeople putting in
xx
In the 2000s I managed to work for the UK Environment Ministry (Defra) whilst still being part of a party / squat crew – those in charge clearly knew what I was up to but turned a blind eye as not only did I do my job well, I would tip off crews which areas to avoid where there was rare creatures/plants (this was before all this info was easily online). TBH often its your friends you have to convince to trust you and/or accept you want to keep your career rather than the bosses – it costs a lot of money to employ someone and they don’t want to lose this investment…
where I would take particular care though is behind the wheel. Cars seen at raves get put on a ANPR flag and traffic cops will be forever on your case monitoring your driving standards. A few mates of mine got disqual this way 😥
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