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  • just been picking over what appears to be a years worth of fuck ups organising legal, commercial festivals from this region – first the Bloc fuck up (why do it in London, trying to compete with established local promoters when they already had venues in the region, and they could even have brought that big old container ship round here, its the same North Sea 😉 )

    then symettry cancelled on odd circumstances, allegations that a big London promoter threatened to pull out their event due to competition – this may or may not be the case, but its a competitive commercial environment and everyone can use every legal tactic possible to win business… and frankly if I had been working in London (where things aren’t as easy as they may be) and seen a Norfolk promoter try and take a bite out of the revenue I’d agree with my organisation fighting back, especially with the contraction of the UK EDM scene and promoters being held to ever stronger licensing restrictions.

    I’m glad I don’t go to these things or provided resources for them so didn’t lose out, but it seems like young promoters here think that the rules of commercial business don’t apply to them when doing commercial events – yes it is a hard environment and probably harder work than call centre at Aviva or working in the family construction business (which is usually tolerated, respected and not linked with drugs/money launderign because SOCA will ‘ave yer’ if it isn’t) but if they want to play these games they need to play harder – East Anglia is not London or Amsterdam, there is 20 or more years worth of bad news including links with serious crime, violence and fatal overdoses to deal with and because of this the tolerance in society to openly allow large EDM events need to be regained.

    I saw some of the Bloc pre publicity and it was worse than Nathan fucking barley, they were simply ignoring valid queries from decent music journalists asking about basic logistics and telling bullshit jokes instead. Bear in mind for anyone here who wants to party they can go to Holland for cheaper than many UK festivals especially with Nederlandse Spoorwegen and the ferries offering cheap tickets..

    We only tend to go to small festies now, for numerous reasons – better crowd, no agro, cheaper and generally more thought out, go for the atmos not necessarily the music as lots dont release whos playing til the last minute.

    unfortunately one lost so much money last year, they arnt able to put one on this year, but we have heard there will be one next yr, and love4life were refused a license but apparently are in negotiations for next year.

    we went to a bar in Dalston a few weeks ago and it was a ‘members only roof top’ attatched to an art gallery, and it was very ‘nathan barley’ and it was so funny – us lot didnt really fit in, but great people watching, and sometimes it is nice to go to somewhere you wouldnt usually just to see and experience, but defo not something we could afford to do regularily – it was so expensive, so some of our friends did the old fashioned drink your own!!

    one thing I unearthed through my Dutch studies was that as well as the big ID&T events a lot of the big name DJ’s play far smaller local venues around where they grew up and got their first sets – and that as well as the big events with 30000 people there are smaller friendlier venues for 300 people. it ties in with the Northern European concept of gezelligheid which is hard to explain and not easily translatable but in the context of EDM could be best explained as how folk compromise – the organisers encourage their punters not to stumble around with polos and nick things out of the local shops or abuse transport staff workers, they use really brainy concepts to keep the noise in and not anoy neighbours and there is a whole very dedicated events industry in that country which is as professional as the folk I buy computers from for work (you are often talking about a pallet of 5 computers, which are to be deployed to end users within the week so fuck ups and delays aren’t an option, suppliers what do this get deselected”

    yet when I study UK events organisations what are supposed to be working as a industry rather than just as a hobby project (and ethical right on busines is not impossible) I get the impression that many are slack as fuck because “they don’t want it to be too much like “real” work” unlike the Europeans who do it proper (as Sinner often shows us). Even the Yanks are doing better than we are, and we are in the country what supposedly invented raves. this really needs to be changed (mind you the Olympics aren’t exactly a good example, empty seats, logistics problems, and David Guetta had a far better helicopter for his arrival at Tomorrowland than the Queen and James Bond had ) – both of them and the aircraft looked all like 1970s relics TBH. 😉

    BTW what has really surprised me about London is how few EDM events seem to happen for the size, even smaller ones. I would have expected our promotions forum to be full of events every weekend of every conceivable genre, yet its always the usual suspects. when I lived in the capital there was some sort of affordable event every weekend and similarly when I lived in Reading (both in SE england and the capital) – to be fair OOOPS are making a comeback but we need more crews like them across the UK…

    I very very rarely go out in town, unless for a friends birthday or summat, similar to you when you add on train fair etc its just too much, (esp when you take into account I apparently live in london its still about £13 for a train ticket!!)
    and I’d rather save up for a full on weekend, and diesel as most of the events we go to are in the midlands, oop north,

    i was thinking of going to the oops party, but again finances and diesel was too much when we are planning a little trip to wales in her in a few weeks,

    Mr Scruff did a 8 hour performance at beatherder this yr, as he liked what he saw so much apparently, it was excellent, and I only got to the last part, as my legs had pretty much gone on the sun!

    there is a facebook comment from the organisers of the larger commercial festival claiming that if one of the events had not cancelled then all events would have a massive noise restriction. I find no reason to disbelieve this but surely then the young people of norfolk should start lobbying their Councillors and say they have a right to have these music events? its not as if they are every weekend, and East Anglia as a whole is big. they cannot just give up a quarter of England and keep running away to London or similar “easier” areas as the promoters there are facing the same problems with nimbys [many of whom have local power as well] and another regions worth of punters can push a event above licensing limits.

    also some of the local promoters have clearly tried to “walk before they could run” but their punters haven’t helped. I’ve seen young folk from the region hang their heads in shame when discussing on here their peers behaviour at licensed events. BTW here’s a comment about EH

    Lord Somerleyton, the landowner, said: “Nothing hugely difficult happened at Eastern Haze, but there was a lot of litter and sick.

    “We’re expecting a different event with Folk East in terms of how it’s run and the type of person who’s coming who’s a bit more concerned about the environment.

    “We haven’t courted any festivals since, but we were waiting for something to come along that wasn’t competing with nearby Latitude.

    the lord is being diplomatic, but reading between the lines you can see the negative impact was permanent. OK the venue is just across the Waveney but only by a few metres TBH and Suffolk landowners are even more stubbornly biased against EDM events due to the mistakes of previous years.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-19105736

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