In the last month two chaps have been murdered at house parties in affluent bits of Essex (there are a fair few) – first one was a very well respected designer about my age who had done a lot of sucessful projects in London and Essex, and was beaten to death at a house party by his so-called “mates” (a man whose done well in life in Essex / East London). One of the accused was himself a successful businessman in a family business and because of this just about scraped bail (60 people are dependent on his business).
The second (this weekend) was at a similar house party in the posh bit of Colchester but for a younger age group, where liberal parents with a big house had permitted a large teenagers’ party to occur, but some of the attendees had fought and a 17 year old lad was stabbed to death
I was gonna post about the first incident shortly after it happened but didn’t want to make it look like it was linked to V festival (though it happened on the same weekend), as it wouldnt’ be fair to link the two..
WTF is happening here? I know East Anglia is cuturally closer to North Europe and there are many stubborn opinionated people what won’t back down from a fight, but killing people over a pointless argument (especially when even if you kill your enemy you will fuck up your future) seems completely harebrained. Also there seems to be less of this in similar nations across the North Sea (whose crime news I can also read..)
@General Lighting 494672 wrote:
I know East Anglia is cuturally closer to North Europe
Really? In what way? Any parts of EE particularly? I’m originally from Cambridge btw (Histon actually).
@General Lighting 494672 wrote:
In the last month two chaps have been murdered at house parties in affluent bits of Essex (there are a fair few) – first one was a very well respected designer about my age who had done a lot of sucessful projects in London and Essex, and was beaten to death at a house party by his so-called “mates” (a man whose done well in life in Essex / East London). One of the accused was himself a successful businessman in a family business and because of this just about scraped bail (60 people are dependent on his business).
The second (this weekend) was at a similar house party in the posh bit of Colchester but for a younger age group, where liberal parents with a big house had permitted a large teenagers’ party to occur, but some of the attendees had fought and a 17 year old lad was stabbed to death
I was gonna post about the first incident shortly after it happened but didn’t want to make it look like it was linked to V festival (though it happened on the same weekend), as it wouldnt’ be fair to link the two..
WTF is happening here? I know East Anglia is cuturally closer to North Europe and there are many stubborn opinionated people what won’t back down from a fight, but killing people over a pointless argument (especially when even if you kill your enemy you will fuck up your future) seems completely harebrained. Also there seems to be less of this in similar nations across the North Sea (whose crime news I can also read..)
It’s the ‘gangster culture’ mate. Everyone wants to be a badass these days and they have this fucked up view of ‘respect’ where they’d rather kill someone than lose a little bit of face or be the butt of a joke. Some people need to lighten up & stop taking everything so seriously, what a bunch of pricks.
@DOTM 494680 wrote:
^^
Everybody is on a bigman ting
Edit: I mean they think they are
Ain’t that the truth!
@Chrispydelic 494678 wrote:
Really? In what way? Any parts of EE particularly? I’m originally from Cambridge btw (Histon actually).
the bits nearer the North Sea 😉
I moved here in 2006 from London / SE England and definitely noticed a cultural difference. its not that the area is “less advanced / backward” or anything like that but people seem much more likely to show or act on their emotions and or take action against someone they don’t agree with (there’s a strong vigilanté / DIY justice culture in some areas especially the rural ones).
This is over and above the urban gangsta culture you get in all UK cities and other large cities worldwide these days.
All that said I think EA is safer than London or SE England but thats as much because the feds are on the ball a lot more than people think compared to the bigger cities (they have less to do routinely but good surveillance and intelligence when big cases happen, and not just many cops but councillors and ordinary people have moved here specifically to escape the crime of big cities so when bad shit happens they swallow their pride and work together.
for instance I strongly that if a predator in London or SE England had decided to kill sex workers or any other vulnerable people he’d get through 20 or more and/or even go unpunished whilst the cops here caught the Suffolk strangler within weeks (it was a surreal situation to live through as I felt I was riding through the set of a ITV crime drama at some points).
@General Lighting 494672 wrote:
In the last month two chaps have been murdered at house parties in affluent bits of Essex (there are a fair few) – first one was a very well respected designer about my age who had done a lot of sucessful projects in London and Essex, and was beaten to death at a house party by his so-called “mates” (a man whose done well in life in Essex / East London). One of the accused was himself a successful businessman in a family business and because of this just about scraped bail (60 people are dependent on his business).
The second (this weekend) was at a similar house party in the posh bit of Colchester but for a younger age group, where liberal parents with a big house had permitted a large teenagers’ party to occur, but some of the attendees had fought and a 17 year old lad was stabbed to death
I was gonna post about the first incident shortly after it happened but didn’t want to make it look like it was linked to V festival (though it happened on the same weekend), as it wouldnt’ be fair to link the two..
WTF is happening here? I know East Anglia is cuturally closer to North Europe and there are many stubborn opinionated people what won’t back down from a fight, but killing people over a pointless argument (especially when even if you kill your enemy you will fuck up your future) seems completely harebrained. Also there seems to be less of this in similar nations across the North Sea (whose crime news I can also read..)
There was another stabbing in essex to do with some french people recently, I don’t know much about it, but it was asked of me to explain what happened as I’m from essex and it was the topic of the day at the BBQ I was at for ten minits. Probably a newspaper story about it recently, not sure how recent the actual stabbing was (the person died). It’s not yet clear if it was a family/friend feud or random, but it was in someones house, so most likely they knew the people as is often the case.
some other foreign chap was killed on V festival weekend in Chelmsford but not sure what that one was about. Also old (ish) bumpkins fighting on a farm around Ongar. there’s at least 6, possibly 8 GBH / murder cases ongoing at this time in Essex, I’ve nearly lost track of them!
more on the Colchester incident – unfortunately looks like another incident where “posh kids party” got gatecrashed by “estate kids” and the poor lad got killed trying to be a peacemaker..
Colchester: Mother pays tribute to her murdered teenager son – News – East Anglian Daily Times
Suffolk is way safer but I’ve seen the SNT turn up to a adults leaving party and basically say if the music isn’t turned down and the decks removed its being treated as a illegal rave…
@MC G-Tek 494679 wrote:
It’s the ‘gangster culture’ mate. Everyone wants to be a badass these days and they have this fucked up view of ‘respect’ where they’d rather kill someone than lose a little bit of face or be the butt of a joke. Some people need to lighten up & stop taking everything so seriously, what a bunch of pricks.
Too right mate. I live in Preston, Lancs and its frickin chav central. I mostly wear jeans or brightly coloured shorts as apposed to their preferred black or grey trackies. This coupled with my skate shoes and long hair is usually enough to provoke a verbally aggressive if not physically violent reaction pretty much in area of my own home town! They’re weak cowardice individuals who thrive only in a pack. Im gonna shut up now before this becomes a 3 page rant but basically chavs suck ass!!
@General Lighting 494782 wrote:
some other foreign chap was killed on V festival weekend in Chelmsford but not sure what that one was about. Also old (ish) bumpkins fighting on a farm around Ongar. there’s at least 6, possibly 8 GBH / murder cases ongoing at this time in Essex, I’ve nearly lost track of them!
more on the Colchester incident – unfortunately looks like another incident where “posh kids party” got gatecrashed by “estate kids” and the poor lad got killed trying to be a peacemaker..
Colchester: Mother pays tribute to her murdered teenager son – News – East Anglian Daily Times
Suffolk is way safer but I’ve seen the SNT turn up to a adults leaving party and basically say if the music isn’t turned down and the decks removed its being treated as a illegal rave…
It’s shit like this what makes me want to learn martial arts, besides the technical side of it and the enjoyment I get out of achieving something complex. The problem is you could literally be the best fighter in the world, but be mashed at a party and get “done over”.
I remember some good advise a chef I used to work with that did MMA told me once, after I came into work covered in bruises, after having a fight with a guy what tried to rob me a week earlier. “Don’t fight when you’re drunk”. Very sound advice tbf.
I had the upper hand in the fight till he pushed me, then i just fell over from lack of balance and got layed into a little, luckaly the guy didn’t punch hard and my mates pulled him off. I think I scared him more then he did me as he slunk off and I just went back into the pub and got drunk, but if he’d of had a weapon on him I could well of been yesterday’s news because I didn’t have my witts about me.
@DaftFader 494785 wrote:
It’s shit like this what makes me want to learn martial arts, besides the technical side of it and the enjoyment I get out of achieving something complex. The problem is you could literally be the best fighter in the world, but be mashed at a party and get “done over”.
and if you want to be constantly on guard at night and ready for conflict you might as well become a bouncer or policeman – at least they get paid..
this is also why the feds and council here want folk to license their events even small hall parties – not that they want to always put 30 cops and sniffer dogs and body searches and charge several thousand (unless its a 10 000 person event or they know half the crew don’t have jobs and yet have £10 000 of pro audio, that looks bait too).
They know all the different subcultures / gangs and the amount of conflict in town as they deal with it every weekend and they just want folk who are sensible and know how to defuse situations and who will deal with normal societys procedures rather than attempts at “DIY justice” what don’t work in this area as the scum fight back. for instance free parties in this region got overrun by a few lads what are chancers rather than real threats but because no one has proper security traininng or the backup a licensed event has (they can of course call the feds in when required) the scum have gone unjudged and unpunished (as some folk still seem to see them as friends or “not too bad”) but now the parties are stopped on the grounds of being unsafe for all.
its also why I couldn’t be arsed with holding a event for my 40th as though I know how to avoid dangerous situations (wouldn’t have made it this far otherwise) all it would take is for a few idiots to spoil things and my name (as license holder) would be in the papers and dragged through the mud, causing reputational damage to my employers and putting hundreds of jobs at risk.
I know people really are going through harsh shitty times but if they make the town more unsafe it will go back to how it was in my teens when everything shut down at midnight and unless you were working a night shift and could prove it the cops would search you.
Yeah this is something I’ve realized in later years; That revenge isn’t the best course of action, it only brings more shit ontop.
I tend to not go out unless I know it’s gonna be a nice event now days, although I do miss the grit of underground D+B, I don’t miss the meat head chav types what kinda took over the scene. There are still a few good nights to be found, but they are propper underground, as to keep it successful the organizers really have to be low key or they’ll get the normal D+B munchkins attending.
When you go to a psytrance party and see someone get hit over the head with a brick from a feud at a previous party (the shit started by the brick bandit brigade in the first place ofc), and seeing a guy at a eviction party get hit over the head with a claw hammer and then chase the other guy down the road with a fuck off kitchen knife, accidentally cutting a young girls hand who was trying to stop him (again because of a problem at a party before, because the dick head with the claw hammer was acting up and got evicted himself) it gets a bit disconcerting. The thing is, like you say, self justice, BUT I feel that if people didn’t have to escape “the system”, there would be no need for it. After all we are talking about some people pissed off at life, lashing out at whoever doesn’t agree with them. If we were to get taught tolerance and acceptance and basic survival as a human without corporate “help” as our main focus in life, rather then “one upman ship” then things would be different.
Like you say, it may only work from the ground up, and unfortunately we need some good people in power for it to ever have a chance of staying good.
I’ve mentioned it before on here, but my theory is that the the people in power are the power hungry. In life you generally get what you set out for, as long as you try hard enough. You can’t factor “bad luck” into this, but I’m talking generally. We have a power hungry set of rulers who look out for them selves, many get shat on in the process because of this. People are stressed out to fuck, regardless of the economy, although hearing about how fucked we are as a society every day in the shit sheets only makes it worse, as after all we don’t have any cash, what is ofc more important then food, air and water combined!
The thing is that it doesn’t matter what you do or where you go, some people just reject life, and some take a violent attitude as being the solution. It’s a clear factor of nurture imo.
The problem is, how to solve it?
Education mainly, but it’s a slow process. Especially with the bods in advertising and media trying their utmost to unravel things and make people as suggestive as possible in order to sell what ever it is that is “hot shit” at the current day of the week.
It almost feels like we are mere toys.
Like I say, tell people the situation as you believe it, explain how if you reject all the shit you don’t need you’ll live a better life, if they agree, good for them, if they don’t, good for them. At least they are doing what they want …
@General Lighting 494672 wrote:
WTF is happening here? I know East Anglia is cuturally closer to North Europe and there are many stubborn opinionated people what won’t back down from a fight, but killing people over a pointless argument (especially when even if you kill your enemy you will fuck up your future) seems completely harebrained. Also there seems to be less of this in similar nations across the North Sea (whose crime news I can also read..)
Statiscally you are much more likely to be murdered by someone you know than a complete stranger.
Killers are just different to non-killers. I’m not condoning the behaviour but it is a very strange behaviour to understand from an outside perspective.
Good news is, AFAIK the crime rates are gradually edging down. I’m talking serious crime, not overdue library books.
To be fair Suffolk has persistently brought down crime across the board since I moved here but that is at the expense of intensely controlling and nannying what goes on after dark and where younger people gather in groups, and closing down perceived dangerous venues after the economic depression as the bulk of folk here over 27 are hard workers what don’t stay up after midnight and refuse to subsidise others leisure (hence why the Carribean club was lost).
Also I read crime reports as far back as early 20th century and before and this area always had a high level of interpersonal violence even when the death penalty was in force, life has always been a bit cheap here and there is a “might makes right” culture due due to a lot of men working in dangerous agricultural occupations and others serving in the military.
Essex is much more influenced by London and its pace of activity and it does have some good sides to it especially to do with business (many work colleagues assume I am from Essex – I am not though i do have family roots and connections there)
That said I think the same happens in the Netherlands and Denmark. Copenhagen has a beautifully ergonomically designed video wall for their CCTV (way better than the lashed together control rooms that BT and others provide our blue light services with) based around apple Macs running a custom Linux kernel, and Koninklijke Philips NV has been responsible for providing most of Europe with affordable CCTV systems for both public and private sector (though this end of the business was recently sold to the French).
This is the Ipswich report, which given the reputation this town has (worse than reality) is impressive. but there is a bobby or two every few hours especially where I live – they learnt the value of this when in early 2007 some streets in the “worst” areas of town were literally flooded with police units like a scene out of a crime film and there was a zero crime rate :laugh_at: a lot of people here are by and large good natured but impulsive rather than evil and have some sort of moral core, and the sight of a bobby does make them think “hang on, best not do that or I might get nicked”.
Ipswich: Crime-busting initiatives lead to 13pc drop in crime – News – Ipswich Star
I made a mistake it was some English people that got shot in France that I’d got mixed up with one of the stabbings you mentioned in essex.
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