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  • BBC News – Drones set to share sky with domestic air traffic

    I can think of no other reason why an armed drone would patrol the skies over the USA. Can you?

    @Pat McDonald 502374 wrote:

    BBC News – Drones set to share sky with domestic air traffic

    I can think of no other reason why an armed drone would patrol the skies over the USA. Can you?

    Given recent history I would say to intercept hijacked passenger planes, more general border patrol would seem a natural extension.

    Bombing US citizens seems a bit of a stretch, my concern would be hacking, you tell a pilot to bomb civilians he/she can disobey if the order is immoral, you tell a Drone to do it, the Drone obeys without question.

    @Pat McDonald 502374 wrote:

    BBC News – Drones set to share sky with domestic air traffic

    I can think of no other reason why an armed drone would patrol the skies over the USA. Can you?

    Given recent history I would say to intercept hijacked passenger planes, more general border patrol would seem a natural extension.

    Bombing US citizens seems a bit of a stretch, my concern would be hacking, you tell a pilot to bomb civilians he/she can disobey if the order is immoral, you tell a Drone to do it, the Drone obeys without question.

    @Mezz 502418 wrote:

    Given recent history I would say to intercept hijacked passenger planes, more general border patrol would seem a natural extension. [/quote]

    Drones don’t fly fast enough to intercept even a single engine civilian monoplane. Plus, their munitions are strictly air-to-ground, not air-to-air. They could not fulfill such a mission.

    @Mezz 502418 wrote:

    Bombing US citizens seems a bit of a stretch, my concern would be hacking, you tell a pilot to bomb civilians he/she can disobey if the order is immoral, you tell a Drone to do it, the Drone obeys without question.

    Hacking concerns are real, but I understand that the control net is via geo-synchronous commsats, sat about 25,000 miles above the earth. Not exactly easy to hitch hike to. Point taken about autonomous option, but there was an article in defence weekly a few years back about drone pilot combat fatigue – article has since been withdrawn as it represents an unpleasant military truth.

    Quite frankly, so does having planes orbiting with Hellfires “For your Own Protection”. Next I’ll have a gun pointed at my head (again) “For your Own Protection”.

    @Pat McDonald 502526 wrote:

    Drones don’t fly fast enough to intercept even a single engine civilian monoplane. Plus, their munitions are strictly air-to-ground, not air-to-air. They could not fulfill such a mission.

    Hacking concerns are real, but I understand that the control net is via geo-synchronous commsats, sat about 25,000 miles above the earth. Not exactly easy to hitch hike to. Point taken about autonomous option, but there was an article in defence weekly a few years back about drone pilot combat fatigue – article has since been withdrawn as it represents an unpleasant military truth.

    Quite frankly, so does having planes orbiting with Hellfires “For your Own Protection”. Next I’ll have a gun pointed at my head (again) “For your Own Protection”.

    The speed thing surprises me, not a subject Im knowledgeable about but I always assumed a drone which without the need for a onboard pilot and that pilots support systems with all the space/weight they use would be faster a plane, or at least faster than commercial planes which could potentially be hijacked.

    Also on the weapons, I see no reason why a drone couldnt carry air to air missiles, a drone is just another airboard platform

    Speed is very limited on drones – they are designed for loiter and cruise, not sprint. 220 knots is maximum speed for a Reaper/Predator B. It’s down to having a propeller and not a jet engine.l

    General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It also lists the Predator as being capable of lifting an AIM-9 air-to-air missile, although that is NOT particularly long range by today’s standards and ASRAAM would be a more modern type. I am also unaware of how an operator would designate an airborne target for the Reaper to fire upon (AIM-9 has recently been modifed to be able to attack ground targets as well as air targets).

    Whole thing stinks to me. “Our robots are so good at killing people, we decided to kill our own people with them.”

    @Mezz 502417 wrote:

    Given recent history I would say to intercept hijacked passenger planes,

    Don’t you mean kill innocent people? The american government have a slightly checkered history when it comes to genocide…..Vietnam, Hiroshima, gulf war 1&2, Afghanistan……But that’s not to say they don’t get there ‘man’.

    Seems pretty far-fetched to me. Why would the US government want to bomb its own people?

    @cheeseweasel 502804 wrote:

    Seems pretty far-fetched to me. Why would the US government want to bomb its own people?

    Because there moral compass is so fucked up, it couldn’t find its own arse…..maybe

    Nah still all sounds a bit tinfoil hat to me.

    @cheeseweasel 502811 wrote:

    Nah still all sounds a bit tinfoil hat to me.

    My tinfoil hat is very daper I’ll have you know :laugh_at:

    @Guy Martin 502800 wrote:

    Don’t you mean kill innocent people? The american government have a slightly checkered history when it comes to genocide…..Vietnam, Hiroshima, gulf war 1&2, Afghanistan……But that’s not to say they don’t get there ‘man’.

    Im not going to get into dragged into US foreign policy, thats quite literally a minefield, they have made many costly mistakes and fought for the wrong reasons several times…….

    BUT

    Hiroshima is out of context, at the time bombing civilians was commonplace and done by every nation at war, and if I recall correctly from school days more people killed in the firebombing of Dresden than were killed in Hiroshima, and over the course of the war the losses to the ABombs were dwarfed by those killed by conventional bombs.

    Anyways back to the future, or present at least lol Drones and hijacked aircraft, you might want to call it murder for a drone to take down a civilian aircraft on a suicide run, but the fact is if that civilian aircraft was about to do another twin towers choosing the lesser of two evils would IMO be the correct thing to do, 100s dead or 1000s dead, if forced to chose Id pick 100s. Not sure if I could live with it afterwards, but 1000s of others would be living because of it. Its very easy to criticize, just be glad we dont have to make those calls.

    Everyone makes a big deal about the A-bombs but those didn’t kill nearly as many people as Dresden or Tokyo or the Rape of Nanking.

    In reality there’s no such thing as “rules” in foreign policy, just what’s expedient to your own nation’s interests. Killing one’s own people does not factor in there.

    If they wanted to bomb their own people they’d blame someone else and not blatantly do it them selves.

    @cheeseweasel 502811 wrote:

    Nah still all sounds a bit tinfoil hat to me.

    Suit yourself. I reckon it’s more a case of “we want the capability” rather than “we have a kill list and want to implement it tommorow.” One could lead to the other though.

    Makes me uneasy. Deploying technology whose primary purpose is to seek and destroy autonomously strikes me as having a high potential screw-up factor.

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