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November 17, 2012 at 10:10 am

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thelog

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It has dawned on me that a hge portion of the soundcloud users that I followed after they followed me or sent me a message asking for me to lend an ear (not the spammy one obviously) Do not spend time listening to other peoples music. Soundloud has always been a 2 way street for me, unless it is a particular artist I want to listen to, in that case I don’t expect them to listen to my tracks. I don’t understand why they will choose to add me if they don’t listen to my tracks?? It seems there has now become a large number of people trying to sell there music on juno or the istore too.I know there is no rules against it but I found SC to be a good tool for lesser known artists to be noticed and shrared. Not for the midicore artists to spam their links on your comment rail/bar thingy. They always say things like “Wow this sounds really good, I would be greatfull if you could take the time to listen to my track at http://www.somefacelesscunt.com” :sign0073:

As I said I prefer it when it is a mutual exchange of to people listening to each others music and giving feedback. No tDJ Trancey McWorship getting his 10,,000th play. These damn jokers. Ok so I’m removing allot of people from my soundcloud. If I make a mistake, please let me know ASAP cos I don’t wanna miss out on anything. Not that I have a huge number of followers on here anyway. Hopefully I will have a nice samll list of people that I know are gonna be interested in what I have to offer and vice versa.

Right who’s this Totem biotech fella, and daftfader, they are gonna be the first to go.:laugh_at:

Ok rant done

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November 17, 2012 at 11:46 am

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barrettone

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I think that’s the case with a lot of things. You just have to ignore the chaff and focus on the positives.
November 17, 2012 at 12:29 pm

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korno

@korno

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ur stuff is awesome dont remove me!
November 17, 2012 at 12:46 pm

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General Lighting

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@thelog 506963 wrote:

Not for the midicore artists to spam their links on your comment rail/bar thingy. They always say things like “Wow this sounds really good, I would be greatfull if you could take the time to listen to my track at http://www.somefacelesscunt.com” :sign0073:

long before soundcloud I have seen this loads on myspace, those facebook walls what are open and anywhere else. People are still deluded enough to think that music provides a full time career – that ended in the 1990s and is the consequence of “download everything for free” culture. Even in a small town with a near zero tolerance policy on music other than commercial club rnb and teenage guitar bands and tribute bands, I now know absolutely fuckloads of various musicians, DJs and producers of professional standards as they tend to turn up at the radio station regularly, as you would expect them to. But all of them who are older than about 21 now realise they are going to have to fit in music with a normal day job and the days of superstars are long gone. That does still leave the kids who think that spamming every bit of the internet with their project will miraculously get them a old style rock star type recording deal, or alternatively a residency in a “EDM event” or a paying gig as a DJ or presenter…. (even if they do it is often now less salary than working in a call centre and with less job security).
November 17, 2012 at 1:13 pm

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barrettone

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@General Lighting 506986 wrote:

long before soundcloud I have seen this loads on myspace, those facebook walls what are open and anywhere else. People are still deluded enough to think that music provides a full time career – that ended in the 1990s and is the consequence of “download everything for free” culture. Even in a small town with a near zero tolerance policy on music other than commercial club rnb and teenage guitar bands and tribute bands, I now know absolutely fuckloads of various musicians, DJs and producers of professional standards as they tend to turn up at the radio station regularly, as you would expect them to. But all of them who are older than about 21 now realise they are going to have to fit in music with a normal day job and the days of superstars are long gone. That does still leave the kids who think that spamming every bit of the internet with their project will miraculously get them a old style rock star type recording deal, or alternatively a residency in a “EDM event” or a paying gig as a DJ or presenter…. (even if they do it is often now less salary than working in a call centre and with less job security).

I would disagree with that. Plenty of people DO make a living off music, it’s just that these “plenty” are a rather small population compared with the amount of people who *want* to make it big.
November 17, 2012 at 1:20 pm

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Winston Smith

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@barrettone 506989 wrote:

I would disagree with that. Plenty of people DO make a living off music, it’s just that these “plenty” are a rather small population compared with the amount of people who *want* to make it big.

seconded really. Plenty of people making money out of music still.
November 17, 2012 at 1:30 pm

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General Lighting

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@barrettone 506989 wrote:

I would disagree with that. Plenty of people DO make a living off music, it’s just that these “plenty” are a rather small population compared with the amount of people who *want* to make it big.

@doublethink 506993 wrote:

seconded really. Plenty of people making money out of music still.

this “plenty” is a continually dwindling number. Same as in nature, species do not suddenly go extinct overnight when they are subjected to food resource/habitat depletion, it takes a fair while for them to die out totally.

if the “creative industries” really were as healthy as people try and claim they are (especially those linked to Universities etc or who have a vested interest in putting out positive spin) then you wouldn’t get urban rudeboys dobbing in sites to SOCA because their tunes are being pirated and losing them money (which happened recently, just months after the London riot).

Another interesting phenomenon was how many businesses associated with the music / entertaintment industry were targeted in these riots (with people surely enough not being so blind as not to see what went on in these offices) and the increasingly unsafe nightlife across England (such as so-called “professional” people killing each other at music events organised for mobile phone companies FFS). This sort of irrational behaviour doesn’t happen unless organisms are being put under real pressure and fighting amongst each other for dwindling resources..
November 17, 2012 at 1:32 pm

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Winston Smith

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@General Lighting 506998 wrote:

this “plenty” is a continually dwindling number. Same as in nature, species do not suddenly go extinct overnight when they are subjected to food resource/habitat depletion, it takes a fair while for them to die out totally.

if the “creative industries” really were as healthy as people try and claim they are (especially those linked to Universities etc or who have a vested interest in putting out positive spin) then you wouldn’t get urban rudeboys dobbing in sites to SOCA because their tunes are being pirated and losing them money (which happened recently, just months after the London riot).

got any statistical data? perhaps you are right
November 17, 2012 at 1:43 pm

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barrettone

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@General Lighting 506998 wrote:

this “plenty” is a continually dwindling number. Same as in nature, species do not suddenly go extinct overnight when they are subjected to food resource/habitat depletion, it takes a fair while for them to die out totally.

if the “creative industries” really were as healthy as people try and claim they are (especially those linked to Universities etc or who have a vested interest in putting out positive spin) then you wouldn’t get urban rudeboys dobbing in sites to SOCA because their tunes are being pirated and losing them money (which happened recently, just months after the London riot).

Another interesting phenomenon was how many businesses associated with the music / entertaintment industry were targeted in these riots (with people surely enough not being so blind as not to see what went on in these offices) and the increasingly unsafe nightlife across England (such as so-called “professional” people killing each other at music events organised for mobile phone companies FFS). This sort of irrational behaviour doesn’t happen unless organisms are being put under real pressure and fighting amongst each other for dwindling resources..

If music really is dying out as a viable means of income how come I keep discovering newly formed bands that seem to be making a healthy amount of money touring? Same goes for electronic music artists I know a guy who quit his job as a geneticist at UCL and is pursuing music full time. Reports of the death of music are greatly exaggerated.

The business model is certainly changing monumentally, but there will always be a demand for music (especially live gigs) and if you can make yourself known you can make a living off it. It’s just the the “getting noticed” bit that people don’t get past.
November 17, 2012 at 1:46 pm

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korno

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I smell delusion :laugh_at:
November 17, 2012 at 1:50 pm

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General Lighting

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@barrettone 507002 wrote:

If music really is dying out as a viable means of income how come I keep discovering newly formed bands that seem to be making a healthy amount of money touring? Same goes for electronic music artists I know a guy who quit his job as a geneticist at UCL and is pursuing music full time. Reports of the death of music are greatly exaggerated.

The business model is certainly changing monumentally, but there will always be a demand for music (especially live gigs) and if you can make yourself known you can make a living off it. It’s just the the “getting noticed” bit that people don’t get past.

with even more outlets and more tracks being released its way harder for anyone to “get noticed”. Also gigs and music events can only happen when they are endured by the locals and this tends to be in large metropolitan cities where there are no longer other key industries contributing to the economy and the Police are struggling with high crime levels as it is.

Outside of these sink areas the night time economy causes more costs than benefits and is thus restricted. However other areas which still have more important key industries like maritime occupations, call centres and agriculture find these bring in much more tax revenue for less hassle than the music / entertaintment industries.

Being a geneticist even from UCL still is a very specialised niche occupation with intense competition from China and other foreign nations, and this is also happening in the creative industries (think “gangnam style”)

Yes, there will always be a demand for some kind of music but fewer and fewer people will make a living off it and it will become a niche occupation. You still find chimney sweeps in my town and they just about survive but not quite as many as you would in the 1970s (when they hadn’t realised you could use gas from the North Sea). This doesn’t mean people can’t recover their expenses from making music by what remains of the industry but it will become a craft like them crazy cat women what make pretty things to sell on Etsy etc and use the revenue thus generated to pay for cat food.
November 17, 2012 at 1:57 pm

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General Lighting

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@doublethink 507001 wrote:

got any statistical data? perhaps you are right

there is plenty but people either complain it is skewed in favour of record labels or “freetards” and both sides of the battle have clever people who can do anything with statistics. What is true is that lots of people formerly involved in not just the music industry but creative industries as a whole have quietly “gone back to the day job”, including many folk who were at a professional level.

This is one fairly balanced article.

The recession in the music industry – a cause analysis « Music Business Research

Another problem with any large live gathering is it only takes a few psychos to disrupt it and its then extremely hard to get licenses for subsequent events without paying more and more in costs to the public authorities and they don’t even make a profit off this as its genuinely taken up by the costs.
November 17, 2012 at 1:58 pm

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Winston Smith

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@General Lighting 507009 wrote:

there is plenty but people either complain it is skewed in favour of record labels or “freetards” and both sides of the battle have clever people who can do anything with statistics. What is true is that lots of people formerly involved in not just the music industry but creative industries as a whole have quietly “gone back to the day job”, including many folk who were at a professional level.

This is one fairly balanced article.

The recession in the music industry – a cause analysis « Music Business Research

Another problem with any large live gathering is it only takes a few psychos to disrupt it and its then extremely hard to get licenses for subsequent events without paying more and more in costs to the public authorities and they don’t even make a profit off this as its genuinely taken up by the costs.

I shall give it a read when I get a mo cheers
November 17, 2012 at 2:18 pm

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General Lighting

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Its actually a particularly good article which points out that what is happening is that via technology, music production and availability is becoming fairer and more widely distributed and available to all like the other creative arts. But this means more talent more widely spread and less long term stardom/careers, which is what has already happened in the Asian markets. In just a few months “Psy” may well have enough to buy himself a real horse rather than trying to ride a fake one (he might still need to discourage his neighbours from trying to eat it) but in 5 years he’s more likely to be working for LG either designing new gadgets or building them.
November 17, 2012 at 7:20 pm

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thelog

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I have removed A fair few but also seemed to gained a new follower along the way. But I still seem to be following 65 odd people and I get no way near that kinda ratio. I wish I still had my premium account where I could see exactly who listened to what tracks and when. This one guy who I was following, some electro house DJ, had well over 2000 followers and his comments bar war packed. All of his tracks were demos available to buy on juno, and his mixes were few and far between. I sent him a message assking him what he thought of my tracks LOL. Well hopefully my dashboard should only have music I want to hear on it and I will meet some decent new artists this way.
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