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March 9, 2013 at 8:54 pm

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Tank Girl

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And possibly partyvibe??

Smart technology and the sort of big data available to social networking sites are helping police target crime before it happens. But is this ethical?

The police have a very bright future ahead of them – and not just because they can now look up potential suspects on Google. As they embrace the latest technologies, their work is bound to become easier and more effective, raising thorny questions about privacy, civil liberties, and due process.

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How Facebook could get you arrested
March 9, 2013 at 8:57 pm

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barrettone

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It’s Minority Report but in real life!
March 9, 2013 at 8:59 pm

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General Lighting

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Wow was just reading this on the Grauniad and thats the dude from Belarus off the TED talks warning folk about datagathering.

but its also used in real life as well, for instance a CCTV op sees a group of people all crowding together and zooms in to check if they are about to fight or there is a drug deal or something else what is of concern, or before that the granny lady looking from behind curtains and calling 999 because “youths are hanging around”…

TBH even back in the day the advice was “everything you put on the Internet might be read by your present and future employer, a detective, and your mum. So be careful what you say”.
March 9, 2013 at 9:17 pm

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The Psyentist

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An interesting read.

Thanks TG
March 9, 2013 at 9:27 pm

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Hopefully will will be able to download third party anti snooping software for smartphones. No matter what the police come up with, there will always be a counter for it when it comes to technology. It just depends on are enough people smart enough to use it
March 9, 2013 at 10:12 pm

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@thelog 531523 wrote:

Hopefully will will be able to download third party anti snooping software for smartphones. No matter what the police come up with, there will always be a counter for it when it comes to technology. It just depends on are enough people smart enough to use it

I think things on your own computer/phone are relatively safe, and with anti-snooping software even more so. What you can’t really protect against are companies like Faecesbook using the data you have there to sell you out to the rozzers.
March 9, 2013 at 10:16 pm

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korno

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I reckon everyone should quit Fb and leave the authorities in a high state of panic :laugh_at:
Fuck it you found a heap of new friends through it, so why don’t you’s take down their phne numbers/emails and pack FB in?
March 9, 2013 at 11:02 pm

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Tank Girl

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I think from the article – there maybe some benefits ie, catching paedophiles by monitoring suspissious activity- (which has happened), IMO is ok, (as for example: in the medical profession, what you say is confidential unless immediate harm to yourself (suicide) / others / children is expressed and legally this confidentiality will be breached, and is legislation.)

but the repercussions for the average ‘joe / Jane blogs’ is astounding……. that people’s patterns will be / are being monitored without having breached any law is my concern, and we’re not only talking Facebook here, but places like here,

There is only one way in which to not have this happen- live off grid, avoid technology / texting / posting online – as the article stated even Tom Tom have sold off information to the police, all very 1984
March 10, 2013 at 12:05 pm

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MC G-Tek

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@Tank Girl 531537 wrote:

I think from the article – there maybe some benefits ie, catching paedophiles by monitoring suspissious activity- (which has happened), IMO is ok, (as for example: in the medical profession, what you say is confidential unless immediate harm to yourself (suicide) / others / children is expressed and legally this confidentiality will be breached, and is legislation.)

but the repercussions for the average ‘joe / Jane blogs’ is astounding……. that people’s patterns will be / are being monitored without having breached any law is my concern, and we’re not only talking Facebook here, but places like here,

There is only one way in which to not have this happen- live off grid, avoid technology / texting / posting online – as the article stated even Tom Tom have sold off information to the police, all very 1984

That’s it, I’m running away to join an Amish community! (Amish folks are big fans of MDMA, right?)
March 10, 2013 at 12:21 pm

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There will be far far too much data and not enough resources for low level crime such as recreational drug use I would have thought. It reminds me of when I would be at a free party and the police would ask people to leave. They would not leave and then people who get all over excited and decide that the police were unable to stop this powerful social uprising. Rather than realising that its simply a matter of time, money, resources and desire (on the part of the constabulary). Then again most ravers are not the brightest of sparks let alone when they have consumed half a gram of K and a bottle of cider.

I am surprised that rig owners use Facebook so much seems like a good evidence gathering platform to me, especially with all those lovely photos and all the interconnections between other rigs/ravers/drug dealers etc. But even then the police have so little interest its still relatively rare for people to get convictions.

More serious crime that uses digital platforms (and is run by the people who don’t get caught not the low level dealers who get nicked regularly) will just operate with encryption and TOR. It is perfectly possible to use the internet and remain anonymous with a bit of effort and some relatively basic computer skills.

Does pose some interesting philosophical questions about the nature of our society though.
March 10, 2013 at 12:24 pm

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@barrettone 531532 wrote:

I think things on your own computer/phone are relatively safe, and with anti-snooping software even more so. What you can’t really protect against are companies like Faecesbook using the data you have there to sell you out to the rozzers.[/quote]

Of course you can simply not put it there in the first place – I’ve never used facebook and never will and am careful what I post on here (its easy enough to work out who I am because of my other hobbies the other languages I study)

that said the social networks are the modern equivalent of CB radio in many respects and it was accepted that nothing was private and the authorities can (and did) monitor them….
March 10, 2013 at 12:32 pm

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General Lighting

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@photographthesun 531585 wrote:

Does pose some interesting philosophical questions about the nature of our society though.

There is a special Police unit near me which monitors the Internet as well as the use of high tech devices, they work very closely with British Telecom and the other telecoms/mobile companies as their research centre is only next door. A fair few very clever young folk our age work with them but don’t often like to talk about it, not even because their work is restricted/secret as such but they started off with idealistic views of the net being “free speech for all” but since the economic depression have had more “fun” projects cancelled and get offered the controversial but still well paid jobs working with the public sector – and as they’ve invested a lot of money in their university education and moving to East Anglia they won’t turn it down!

However what these units are monitoring isn’t small time non problematic drug use which isnt’ worth bothering about but folk (especially young people) bullying each online and/or arranging real life fights (which happens), people using social networks to glorify anti social behaviour and dangerous driving, and large scale illegal gatherings being organised using such networks (even that was tolerated until the environment damage and costs to the rural community got out of hand).

The reason folk get caught is there plenty enough young idiots who seem to not realise their activities are crime with victims, and that bragging about them online is arrogant and unwise.
March 10, 2013 at 12:37 pm

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@General Lighting 531591 wrote:

There is a special Police unit near me which monitors the Internet as well as the use of high tech devices, they work very closely with British Telecom and the other telecoms/mobile companies as their research centre is only next door. A fair few very clever young folk our age work with them but don’t often like to talk about it, not even because their work is restricted/secret as such but they started off with idealistic views of the net being “free speech for all” but since the economic depression have had more “fun” projects cancelled and get offered the controversial but still well paid jobs working with the public sector – and as they’ve invested a lot of money in their university education and moving to East Anglia they won’t turn it down!

However what these units are monitoring isn’t small time non problematic drug use which isnt’ worth bothering about but folk (especially young people) bullying each online and/or arranging real life fights (which happens), people using social networks to glorify anti social behaviour and dangerous driving, and large scale illegal gatherings being organised using such networks (even that was tolerated until the environment damage and costs to the rural community got out of hand).

The reason folk get caught is there plenty enough young idiots who seem to not realise their activities are crime with victims, and that bragging about them online is arrogant and unwise.

Well it makes sense given uprisings in other country’s significantly attributed to social networks and our own riots in London. Must be fascinating work that wish I had gone to uni grrrr.
March 10, 2013 at 12:39 pm

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General Lighting

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@photographthesun 531593 wrote:

Well it makes sense given uprisings in other country’s significantly attributed to social networks and our own riots in London.

thats why there weren’t any riots in Ipswich….
March 10, 2013 at 12:44 pm

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@General Lighting 531595 wrote:

thats why there weren’t any riots in Ipswich….

I do feel sorry for the kids who got sentenced for the riots (I was in Egypt at the time so missed a lot of the details); seems like they really made an example of them. Custodial sentences for picking up a can of coke out of a looted shop and stuff. You can see why they have done it but for the individuals its a real shame.
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