Party Vibe

@know_hope 554616 wrote:

why do they not go into cause of death?

because they do not yet know. its not a quick process – not like CSI type films where glamourous young women and smart but hard men come up with solutions by the end of the movie.

firstly the Police Family Liaison officers (who may be either from Hantspol or the local constabulary where the deceased is from) have to explain to the parents that their little princess is going to be sliced up by the NHS’s finest boffins and various bits of her tested, and that they cannot bury or cremate her until this is all done. This is not an easy or pleasant job (and is often the real reason why the coppers often take a dim view of drug use). To be fair the body is returned in as good a state as possible and religious/cultural beliefs considered, but a lot of people die every week for a large variety of reasons (road traffic collisions kill far more young people than drugs) and if they have not seen their GP in the last 30 days or there is anything slightly unusual about a death its a full inquest.

The NHS quite rightly prioritises looking after those folk who are alive first, so bodies can lie in a mortuary freezer for some time. In some cases they are transported as far away as London or Manchester where local pathology units are overstretched.

So it can take some months before the cause(s) of death can be correctly determined. To be fair HM Coroners strongly believe that anything that can help prevent an early death must be disseminated to the media and public, and many are proper medical doctors. One lady in SW England had to argue with a bereaved father the right to report an inquest of an overdose to the Press (he ended up having to be being led out of Court by the Police) which takes a lot of guts to do.

@Pat McDonald 554661 wrote:

Just to add – an autopsy just collects samples. These still have to be tested before an autopsy report is written. Even then, the cause of death is officially determined at the inquest.

This lets all the juicy really embarrassing deaths for establishment figures get sanitised.

until comparatively recently (and maybe still to some extent in very small rural communities, which might make things seem more “conspiratorial” simply because many high net worth/profile individuals live in these areas) what some Coroners did was record cause of death using the strict medical terms with references to “dependent / non dependent drug use” completely omitted. Not good for harm reduction but seen as more humane to the family (also many coroners are proper doctors who often do GP and locum work in the same regions), especially as sudden death of non drug using young adults is not uncommon due to heart problems and other medical reasons.

This still makes the death certificate perfectly valid in legal terms but protects the deceased and their family reputation.

It was still done well into the 1990s and I know of at least one family who benefited from it. I would not say they were “establishment figures” other than being a perfectly normal suburban family in a relatively affluent suburb and as in recent years I’ve been a lot less paranoid about my own identity online (which would make it easy to identify them) I don’t want to give too many more details.

In recent times (following influences from Northern Europe) the trend is to report everything honestly so as to try and prevent similar deaths (be they from drugs, industrial accidents or road collisions) but the problem in our country is our press often disclose full family names and address of anyone who dies in odd circumstances or ends up in Court, whereas other nations simply print the first name, age, first letter of surname and town/region.

This is enough to highlight a problem area such as a spate of contaminated drugs, or a particularly dangerous factory or road junction – but not enough for others to play at being judge (especially against surviving or innocent family members) after due process has already happened.

@TheStealthyRacoon 554630 wrote:

The signs put out on Thursday said it was a bad batch of K but dont know if there is any truth in that.

the most popular party drug which would be Class C is ketamine (anything else is either class A or B or temp ban (where an older law is used of “administering a noxious substance”)) though I fear that folk might be bulking out ketamine with a cheaper RC as its rarely the sole cause of a fatal OD….