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  • Smart move (it reduces traffic and pollution problems with lorries on small roads)

    Bruges brewery De Halve Maan (The Half Moon) is about to open the valves on a €4m beer pipeline designed to carry vital supplies the 3.2km from its city centre production facility to its bottling plant

    Belgian brewery lays 3.2km beer pipeline ? The Register

    Well they better come up with some fucking use for these gas and oilpipelines they have all over the planet cos the oil and gas will probably be gone from this Earth, even before me….

    We’ve got oil and gas for the next century more or less but price is going to go way up. Look up the kuznet’s curve, once we hit peak oil we’re fucked

    The worlds reserves of oil are below 50 years at current rates, there’s more gas than oil but oil is used gar more. Ot’s like saying we have enough coal for thousands of years when the oil and gas runs out, but we had that before oil and gas and we don’t use it cos no-one drives steam engines to work these days.

    We’ll find more oil, but when we hit peak oil that mean’s we’ve more or less run out of proven reserves and afterwards we’ll be scrambling to exploit tight oil, shale, tar sands and what not which costs a lot more money and has more of an environmental impact during exploitation.

    Like oil that is almost dredged from the ground, I forget it’s proper term but it’s far harder to refine than regular drilled oil.

    Strip-mining it’s called.

    @tryptameanie 984508 wrote:

    Strip-mining it’s called.

    Tar sands strip mining.

    Tar Sands & Fracking are the face of new oil ‘discoveries’; total pain in the ass to recover and refine. All the sweet crude oil has been found and is mostly in Saudi Arabia. The Saudi’s have been trying very hard to diversify their economy, that in of itself is enough proof for me as far as the long term viability of oil as the primary transportation fuel source.

    Sadly Lithium which is the resource alternative for oil falls prey to basically all of the same problems as gasoline: poor sustainability, most of the reserves located in countries that are unfriendly to the USA and their allies, problems with scale-ability and most importantly a finite supply. At least lithium is somewhat recyclable and has more substitutes than oil which currently has none.

    They have suggested fracking in Europe which in NL (and even UK) has met quite rightly with a load of protests; these countries are way too small to risk fucking up the environment and in the bits of NL where it was suggested making holes in there is quite likely to let in the North Sea when they are already bailing it out 24/7 with electric pumps to keep it out… (this is why the Dutch put so much effort into renewable energy and reliable grid supplies, which they have been doing for some decades).

    @Shakyamuni 984509 wrote:

    Sadly Lithium which is the resource alternative for oil falls prey to basically all of the same problems as gasoline: poor sustainability, most of the reserves located in countries that are unfriendly to the USA and their allies,

    such as BE and NL? :laugh_at:

    OK they don’t mine for it in these countries but I learnt recently (once again thanks to “Die Sendung mit der Maus” that all the unwanted mobile phones plus any old computers or electronics in Northern Europe (which has often been stripped clean of any potentially reusable components/assemblies by hackers) and the pirate radio transmitters Agentschap Telecom and BNetZA seize from the middle aged Schlager/Disco fans get put through the metal shredders and all the plastic and metal is locally recovered in factories within NL and BE.

    It is then either reused in Europe (for packing crates etc) or sent to PH, MY, TH where NXP (used to be Phillips) make it into electronic components again – another factor which Europeans don’t often shout about as much as perhaps they should is there are plenty of things still made in Europe by Europeans (even stuff you would expect to have come from further afield) plus a strong culture of recycling and re-use.

    Lithium ion accus (storage batteries) are good for things that need to move (e-bikes, small cars, laptops, mobile phohes) but if there is just a requirement to store direct current electricity and plenty of space available the old style accus with acid and lead work just as well. No shortage of this in Europe (and a better use for it than adulterating beer or gin, which was once rife in many countries!) Computers and networking/telecoms equipment work on DC anyway.

    I had noticed all the folk shown on German TV working in the factories seem to be middle aged ( > 50) other than obvious recent migrants and that it seems to be a subset of my age group in Northern Europe (although a surprisingly large one and very ethnic and gender diverse) which does stuff like hoard old computers or run emulators / build electronic systems from components or assemblies (often recycled or using older 1980s designs) as well as using bicycles, ebikes and trains for transport in preference to private motor cars but this culture and skill hasn’t totally died out and thankfully is still a part of European society.

    In België they probably have it set up with loads of backup power systems so if the electric goes off you can still ride your bike to the pub (NL : kroeg) and get a bier :laugh_at:

    All the lithium reserves are in leftist countries of South America with Bolivia and Chile having an embarrassment of this resource

    @Shakyamuni 984515 wrote:

    All the lithium reserves are in leftist countries of South America with Bolivia and Chile having an embarrassment of this resource

    And relatively good relations with Europe (how else would all that good quality coke find its way here? :laugh_at: )

    not sure if they do the same in USA but if I buy a parcel of electronic components/equipment and there is even one small lithium battery in it there are all sorts of warning stickers on the box and a big picture of a crossed out aircraft and if I have to return anything even within the UK the old granny lady at the post office quizzes you about the contents and if there are any batteries.

    There is to be fair good reason for this because of fire hazards if they go short circuit but it means that European companies do everything possible to get bulk stocks of batteries in safe locations to ensure they don’t have to go as air cargo – the Korean companies are now starting to build factories in Europe to produce accus for electric vehicles (they already build solar panels and flat screen displays here)

    I’d put America’s best coke up against Europe’s best coke.

    @Shakyamuni 984509 wrote:

    Tar sands strip mining.

    Tar Sands & Fracking are the face of new oil ‘discoveries’; total pain in the ass to recover and refine. All the sweet crude oil has been found and is mostly in Saudi Arabia. The Saudi’s have been trying very hard to diversify their economy, that in of itself is enough proof for me as far as the long term viability of oil as the primary transportation fuel source.

    Sadly Lithium which is the resource alternative for oil falls prey to basically all of the same problems as gasoline: poor sustainability, most of the reserves located in countries that are unfriendly to the USA and their allies, problems with scale-ability and most importantly a finite supply. At least lithium is somewhat recyclable and has more substitutes than oil which currently has none.

    O think the Saudos have done quite well with the money they have made, and continue to make. They controled the price per barrel, even bringing the price down at one point even though obviously no new reserves had been discovered and besides which their investment in properties is legendary, even if they don’t seem to be the greatest thinkers of things through (remember that island made of sand they thought the sea would just ignore cos they would threaten to behead it if it didn’t do what they told it to, or the Burj dubai, I think it is, worlds tallest hotel at the time anyway, mau be burj khalifa…, also built mostly on not what even a criminally insane conman would consider it dry enough to build sand castles on….well the solution they had for that doesn’t seem to work either) but they own massive swathes of some of the most valuable property around the world, like Park lane and mayfair and whatever you have on monopoly sets over there in the US lol, so those bbastards will be fone I reckon, if you base it on how they treat theor women or anyone who is poor, they’ll just kill everything that’s a drain on resources.

    Also, and I may be quite worng here, but I thought strip-moning, even though it’s obviously done in the US, is more commen around Russia and assorted shitholes that used to br prt of the Soviet Union? O think that because of a documentary I watched called the planet we live on or somethign along thos elines, with a professor of geology and he went to a place where oil mining was obviously so abundant, they even bathed in the sutff, beluevig it was good for your skin (although smoking in a bath of oil is likely to kill you and the man in the next bath so no wonder he was worried about some fat Polish chap in the next bath having a fag….)

    On top of that, America and the UK are best fucking buddies with the saudis, especially our arms industry which is hugely providing weapons that, if Little Miss Muffet had used to try get the kurds out of her way, she’d be tried for terrorism.

    Anywhoo, I’ll leave that rat for now cos there’s an article I want to post about a Frenchman……

    Saudi’s are stupid rich, when one of the upper royal family members wants to get their annual doctor’s checkup, they rent out a whole fucking floor at an expensive top tier private hospital. Oil is still all of the GPD, owning a $10 million flat or a ton of expensive property or what have you doesn’t pay the bills; they’re trying to get into solar and other stuff, but as is it is still all oil which is great until it runs out. The USA and UK would let Saudi Arabia buttfuck us both if they asked and then just say “no homo”. Sixth highest military budget in the world yet we do all of their fighting for them.

    We strip mine in America, but not as much, Canada has the most tar sands in the world but is loathe to mine it.

    They do the same over here mate, when one of their daughters is coming for a visit. There was a documentary made on one of the top gotels in the country and they rented out an entire floor (single rooms ffor 2 people run 3,000 pounds per night. Beause they were also saudi women, no men could ever go into the floor they were staying in. It’s sickening to think they chop the hands of people for stealing things like apples when there is enough wealth in that country for everyoen.

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