Party Vibe

I read some chatter about this on another forum – they are sending a sample to WEDINOS but there really are very few compounds left often than caffeine and ephedrine which are not controlled by PSA.

IMO it is these kinds of branded blends which also encourage unsafe or unheathy ROAs for the chemicals in question that have fucked things up for everybody, not only in UK.

I really hope they aren’t putting caffeine and ephedrine in it as those are the only stims now available, combined they can be OK functional stims (but not as good as the NPS) but still must be treated with respect as its easy to get heart problems and they can still be fatal in overdose.

Already ephedrine is restricted in many countries due to muscle marys taking way too much and keeling over.

DE and NL are now starting to restrict imports and domestic sales of NPS, PT passed a law similar to PSA years ago because the use of NPS was threatening to disrupt their globally praised decriminalisation initiative.

@tryptameanie 985906 wrote:

Also as was a blatant and obvious fact, branded compounds changed in bratios and sometimes even entre fucking compounds, between batches and were bad enough when you at least thought it was MPA and a numbing agent..

And it was exactly this making the younger users ill.

Since the ban and the removal of these blends from the street the Ambulance services in many different parts of England are reporting far less callouts to younger patients. The biggest problem was neither the users nor the paramedics knew precisely what was in them making treatment difficult.

That said, MPA was a decent enough stimulant if taken in small doses but tolerance builds up quickly and it is full with free sulfur so too much of it makes you feel very rough, even more so if combined with alcohol or any other substances.

I was amazed though people would even try injecting it; they really must have been desparate as it would surely be excrutiatingly painful (similar to some drugs used for psychiatric treatment in 1980s which are now normally banned under human rights laws).

IMO the biggest problem with the RC trade was too many vendors had an irrational hostility to any kind of regulations (even when they had many loopholes that legally allowed the trade) and wanted to profit from selling their own “unique” blends but couldn’t even match the level of transparency that food, alcohol or even tobacco companies comply with to legally sell their wares across Europe and beyond (even if their products are unhealthy!)

The headshops in my region (there are only about 3) got warned off selling any kind of NPS as early as 2010 (after it all went tits up with mephedrone) and they wisely stayed well away from this market having less troublesome lines of business to support themselves; although as the best one in town does piercings as well I think they have to keep on the right side of the Council or they would lose their license.

I can’t see why anyone over 18, with basic computer literacy would have wanted to buy actual drugs (as opposed to paraphenalia or fashion related gear) from a headshop anyway but then again when cathinones were legal folk in some regions actually created a street dealing network (complete with associated criminality) as it was “cooler”.

In contrast, the best of the NPS dealers I used over the years (which sold the pure chemicals) were better run than companies I buy computer and electronics equipment for work!

In recent years China has moved away from hardline drugs enforcement in a similar to Malaysia and Singapore, even if none of the govts of these countries will openly admit to this.

Most of the Chinese making this stuff are very intelligent middle class young people who most likely have day jobs in industries where they would have access to the chemicals but are making otherwise legitimate items. As long as they don’t poison their domestic and foreign customers and there aren’t epidemics of binge use, I suspect many blind eyes are turned by feds. These Asian countries cannot afford to lose educated young people who are fluent in their native languages and English, contrary to popular misconception there are not as many babies being born in Asia and the population is ageing.

Even the RCs that did end up on the controlled list last year (mostly various cathinones and the harsher end of RC stims) did tie in with reports in English language Chinese newspapers about young lads in particular commiitting particularly sketchy crimes – stuff like house burglaries of small but high value items in tower block flats where they would have had to scale 10m balconies from the outside, and were even leaving creepy fake “apology” notes to the people whose stuff they nicked.

Also multiple reports of otherwise well behaved kids (especially expat Chinese in SG and MY) getting sudden and severe mental health problems but without immediate signs of drug use that syabu (asian meth) or other harder stuff would show.

Exactly the kind of thing that folk who did way too much cathinones sometimes ended up getting into here in Europe.

That said I suspect using the darknet in CN is likely to attract way more unwanted attention than simply selling small amounts of chemicals to foreign countries, when they sell millions of tons / litres of far more hazardous stuff worldwide using normal web portals (it is left up to the buyer to ensure it is legal and/or safe to import…)