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Kratom is not even that highly controlled in SE Asia where there are countries with some of the harshest drugs laws in the world and some level of consensus amongst neighbouring countries not to simply give in to drug addiction (even if they are split between hardline enforcement and more modern methods of treatment).

Even in countries where it is explicitly illegal (Thailand and Malaysia) arrests are uncommon and there have been calls to decriminalise (TH) as well as (MY) rejections of lobbying to move it from “poison” to “dangerous drugs” class. Some MPs in Malaysia even admitted to taking it themselves.

Lively debate on ketum leaves – Nation | The Star Online

At least the UK and Asian nations do seem to still treat it as a lesser evil than stronger hard drugs.

What the USA is doing makes even less sense when many states are flooded with fentanyl (often misidentified as other opiates) which is way more dangerous.

This is another report from Malaysia going into more depth about how a plan to make it the equivalent of harddrugs/class A was successfully stoppped.

Kratom (Ketum) criminalisation successfully shelved in Malaysia

@tryptameanie 986016 wrote:

Saw an article on that earlier, also an article about the maker of fentanyl giving $500.000 to a campaign to stop medical cannabis becoming legal in whichever state it is.

For some years companies producing fentanyl and other opiates in the USA funding anti drug initiatives (including Jannsen which was founded in België by Professor Jannsen who discovered fentanyl) although that was a few years ago.

The recent incident you may have read about relates to a company which does sell fentanyl sprays but is also trying to market a patented form of THC which medical cannabis would directly compete against.

That said there have been UK companies patenting THC based meds and rather bizzarely selling them to the Netherlands – although there may be various checks and balances as well as regulation in EU and UK discouraging the same levels of political lobbying (these do not apply to US subsidiaries of EU companies)

https://theintercept.com/2016/09/12/pharma-opioid-marijuana/

Healthcare in Malaysia is at least part nationalised (similar to NHS in England) but there are obvious logistical problems with provision in some of the rural/jungle areas.

In those same areas (mostly in Northern Malaysia on the borders with TH) there has been extensive development work; they are not turning the entire jungle into an electronics factory (there is in fact plenty of it left) but appear to be building a mixture of residential settlements and long access roads in remote areas. These are several hundred km away from existing built up areas, I am not 100% sure what this is being done for but suspect it is mining of some sort for coal or other important resources such as minerals/rare earth metals used in electronic components. The construction of these areas is very recent and ithe roads and the electricity power poles were far better quality than found in many parts of the UK!

In areas like this they will need a lot of hard working manual workers and tradespersons – and it is heavy physical monontonous work. I can see why non problematic usage of kratom would be tolerated in such regions.

Hi, Mr. Meanie, i don’t know, but i have a feeling i have seen u, maybe just chat with u somewhere???
Maybe do you have any souvenir of my name or its just my head which plays with my memory…. 😉
KRATOM…Sounds to me like ATOM, is that something special :tripping-out::toxic:, or a medicine plant only???

hope u or someone, can give me a real connaissor advice : if it is something i should explore or better wait for a dmt plan…..