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    MPs back medical cannabis

    one of the local MPs here is part of the group who are trying to get medical cannabis licensed in UK (Dr Dan Poulter, who is actually a reasonable person for a Tory and its very rare for me to say that!)

    Although as he’s young and dares to sometimes question the party line he got reshuffled to the back benches (was health minister for a few years) – to be fair its this is not the first time he has advocated medical cannabis and he’s at least prepared to stick his neck out and admit to these views.

    Interestingly where I work all the older matrons/head nursing staff (age 50+ from UK and all the pinay night nurses) are very supportive of legalised medical cannabis (they are perfectly aware of the differences between medical and recreational use), but the staff our age group who grew up in the rave era are way more sceptical and wary about the extra workload that could be caused by anti-diversion security procedures…

    The antidiversion bit that you mention is very real as a concern, it reminds me of the movie Half Baked where Dave Chappelle’s character is diverting pound after pound of medical marijuana from a research facility.

    Marijuana is so ubiquitous that it’d be easy to divert, even moreso than pharmaceutical pills. Interestingly and predictably enough, with a few states making cannabis quasi-legal, organized crime groups (a broad term, but lacking a better substitute, I’ll use it) have started moving to Colorado to run grow-ops that face much laxer scrutiny and penalties, and then they export it to other states to sell.

    Unless there has been a big shift, California still produces the most of any state, which is partially population driven. California had the first medical laws on the books in 1996, and almost anyone can get a medical card if they have some sort of need and are willing to jump through enough hoops to get it. Interestingly one of the reasons their 2010 ballot initiative failed was that people straddling the line between legal and illegal growing were against it. These folks grow marijuana for compassionate use clubs but also sell on the black market and felt that either prices would drop or they’d be squeezed out by big business. A probably bigger reason that the Proposition failed is that non cannabis smokers make it to the polls more than those who smoke.

    @General Lighting 986076 wrote:

    one of the local MPs here is part of the group who are trying to get medical cannabis licensed in UK (Dr Dan Poulter, who is actually a reasonable person for a Tory and its very rare for me to say that!)

    Although as he’s young and dares to sometimes question the party line he got reshuffled to the back benches (was health minister for a few years) – to be fair its this is not the first time he has advocated medical cannabis and he’s at least prepared to stick his neck out and admit to these views.

    Interestingly where I work all the older matrons/head nursing staff (age 50+ from UK and all the pinay night nurses) are very supportive of legalised medical cannabis (they are perfectly aware of the differences between medical and recreational use), but the staff our age group who grew up in the rave era are way more sceptical and wary about the extra workload that could be caused by anti-diversion security procedures…

    Interestingly, when David Cameron was young and had a spine he had some very sensible ideas about drugs. Sadly he turned into a coward and ran away from the palace of westminster crying.

    @tryptameanie 986083 wrote:

    Interestingly, when David Cameron was young and had a spine he had some very sensible ideas about drugs. Sadly he turned into a coward and ran away from the palace of westminster crying.

    I’m not sure how much real power Dr Dan Poulter has now (his less rebellious colleague Ben Gummer ended up being Health Minister for a bit and has then been moved to the cabinet office) but right from the start he has supported medical cannabis although not overt recreational use.

    He is also a genuine NHS doctor who apparently turns up on the wards at Ipswich hospital quite often (and sometimes in London).

    TBH both him and even Gummer are the remaining younger “liberal” Tories who are more like D66 in the Netherlands than the Thatcho type Conservatives – although I’m not sure myself if medical cannabis would be feasible to prescribe to younger patients (up to early middle age) who are not already in hospital, a residential home or sheltered housing with controlled access unless some level of recreational use is permitted at the same time.

    Unfortunately I would fear for these patients safety (from people trying to rob them etc) and that they could be stigmatised in the same way that those on opiate maintenance programmes may be because the stuff ends up packaged in an akward bulky container. Its not that medical cannabis is a bad idea, quite the opposite but people (especially in our generation) often treat each other like shit these days and openly sabotage anything potentially good for themselves and wider society especially if its in the slightest bit “European”. (this isn’t confined to UK either!)

    In NL there may not be such an issue about diversion when recreational users can just go to the coffeeshop and get as much as they want, and up to 30 grams only results in minor penalties (if people are even caught at all).

    NL tolerated recreational cannabis use since early 1970s but medical use is new, from 2001 at the earliest.

    | Office of Medicinal Cannabis

    incidentally I’ve been tweeted some video links from NL Pirate Party to a documentary that claims the Netherlands is losing its lead in innovative approaches to cannabis and slipping behind the USA and the rest of Europe. The film is in 3 parts and all in Dutch so I haven’t had time to watch it yet or what its argument is, but from other news I’ve read in NL it appears their politiicans and citizens are falling down the same rabbitholes as those in the UK which is risking disruption of the more progressive attitudes across the North Sea.

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