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- This shouldn’t be happening in Britain in 2008… This is worse than medieval times or even animal behaviour :hopeless: no male mammal willingly and cold bloodedly kills its own offspring (its obviously counterintuitive to survival) WTF is going on ? What is worse is that I thought the reports were the same case but there have been two such incidents in our region.. I find it hard to believe this is ignorance as most teens do know where babies come from, youths supposedly have access to a lot of resources, parents/grandparents are way more tolerant these days even if their kids do get pregnant and I am aware of a fair few local youths who have become young parents and yet are doing really well... What is most worrying is the young age of these people, this sort of thing normally happens with older couples (20s-40s) where the dad just loses it often due to money worries or a relationship breakup.. Quote: A TEENAGE couple killed their newborn baby hours after a secret birth, a court was told today. The pair, who met on the internet, appeared at Ipswich Crown Court today to deny murder. http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/content/eveningstar/news/story.aspx?brand=ESTOnline&category=News&tBrand=ESTOnline&tCategory=News&itemid=IPED09%20Jul%202008%2014%3A10%3A39%3A860 Quote: A TEENAGER is facing a life sentence after he was convicted of murdering his girlfriend's 11 month old baby. http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/news/story.aspx?brand=EADOnline&category=News&tBrand=EADOnline&tCategory=News&itemid=IPED09%20Jul%202008%2016%3A16%3A13%3A153
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- July 12, 2008 at 3:40 am
  
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- Vote, but who for? ive never voted in my life because ive never believed in any of the parties 100% and i dont think i should just vote for someone cause they are 'the best of a bad bunch'. Also i think it was in the last election 50% of the population didnt vote (i think) and this sends a strong message to the different parties that they are all doing something wrong IMO.I also think its one big popularity contest, where candidates who lie, cheat and decieve the general public the best get voted in. it just seems a bit wrong Anyway do you bother voting, and who for? 1 2
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- July 10, 2008 at 11:49 am
  
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- read and sign – asylum petition Britain is forcing as many as 11,000 Zimbabweans seeking refuge here to make a stark choice between destitution or returning home to possible torture or death. sign the petition and send it to everyone you can think of http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Refugee/
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- July 6, 2008 at 8:42 pm
  
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- Lost tribe discovered deep in Amazon Saw this today in the Daily mail and i think it's quality! researchers found a tribe that have had no contact at all with the world. they even raised their bows at the the giant metal bird (Plane) flying overhead. there's more here but it makes me think how much of this world is still yet to be discovered!! :weee: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jthSvL5g0ouAeFFsVx_fMxWmCrQw 1 2
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- July 4, 2008 at 5:21 pm
  
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- footprint How about this for carbon footprint. We supply two customers with a same product. First customer orders much more so gets a better discount. Second customer gets a quote from us for an item = £5.00. Not happy with that, goes to customer one, quote for same product= £4.50. Customer two does not realise that customer one is ordering from us and getting charged £4.50. Now here's the catch-customer one is in reading, customer two in Bury St Edmunds. We are in London, so we have to deliver the item to Reading for customer one, and then he has to get it to Bury for customer two. A round trip of roughly 200 miles, just so customer two can save 25p. The world is fucked. Another came up today- Customer in Bristol orders an item from us which we buy from a supplier in Bristol. Because the bosses here don't want our customer to know where we get it, the supplier has to get it to us just so we can ship it back out to Bristol. I mean, WTF???
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- June 28, 2008 at 5:51 pm
  
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- UFO’s (In the sun) Read this today and it made me chuckle! I do believe in UFO's but the way the sun's been going on, you'd think we're about to be invaded! :laugh_at: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/ufos/article1341396.ece
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- June 26, 2008 at 7:24 pm
  
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- Coal Train had it’s contents relocated back to the ground by a group of activists. n 13th June 2008 protestors halted a coal train carrying fuel for Drax power station in Yorkshire, the single biggest source of CO2 in the UK. Dressed in white overalls and canary outfits, the protestors used safety signals to stop the train on a bridge overlooking the power station, before climbing on board and dumping coal off onto the tracks. Now, this action is significant for a few reasons. Firstly, it demonstrates that the Climate Camp bunch have got nerve and daring, and that their planning is absolutely meticulous. Secondly, it says very loudly We Are Serious. Leave it in the ground Full article here http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/home?q=node/41 Guardian article http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/06/a_step_too_far.html http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2008/06/401019.jpg
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- June 26, 2008 at 6:23 pm
  
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- UK : East : poor swan / cow / farmer Quote: RED-faced bosses at power giant EDF were today facing the fury of a Suffolk farmer after being blamed for the death of a pregnant cow. Dairy farmer Robin Richards of Rodwell Farm Dairy at Baylham was left fuming after a dairy heifer died licking a live cable which came down in his field. And the cow wasn't the only creature to fall victim to the cable - it was initially brought down after a swan flew into it. The swan died instantly. I do feel sorry for the cow (being sparked by 11 000 volts is not a good way to go for any creature!) but its clear from this that EDF's priority was to get the surrounding villages back on (in fact they did a good job here, as where I work was only off for a few minutes) http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/search/story.aspx?brand=ESTOnline&category=News&itemid=IPED24%20May%202008%2012:54:17:990&tBrand=ESTOnline&tCategory=search
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- June 24, 2008 at 10:40 pm
  
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- Corporate Complaints Me and an ex of mine used to complain in letter to the major corporate food, tobacco & service providers. We started with genuine concerns no matter how small & trivial. They would all more or less write back with feebys, tickets & voutures. We actually stopped having concerns and writing in anyway. Free beer & food tastes so good and your doing your bit against the corporate's no matter how small. Whats the chances of anyone on here doing this though?
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- June 21, 2008 at 8:38 am
  
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- Mugabes thugs, burn oppositions wife alive. The men who pulled up in three white pickup trucks were looking for Patson Chipiro, head of the Zimbabwean opposition party in Mhondoro district. His wife, Dadirai, told them he was in Harare but would be back later in the day, and the men departed. An hour later they were back. They grabbed Mrs Chipiro and chopped off one of her hands and both her feet. Then they threw her into her hut, locked the door and threw a petrol bomb through the window. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4116638.ece So fucked up.
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- June 13, 2008 at 5:23 pm
  
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- Freedom call me a optomist but my definition of true freedom is: being able to do what one wants as long as it does not infringe upon another person libertarian socially, i guess (economically my views are VERY different, as i believe in so many humanitarian and socialist aspects) but socially i mean we all complain about laws, and police but under that definition, i cant honestly say, i'm pretty much free, i can take drugs, smoke, drink, laugh, party i know theoretically its against the law, i am not supposed to do certain things, but in reality very rarely is it stopped we aint that bad are we dont think im gettin apathetic though, i'm very active in stopping powers that would make stopping these things easier! i dont know what the point of this post is im very drunk love y'all xxx 1 2
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- June 13, 2008 at 2:39 pm
  
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- new popular manifesto i think this country and many 'developed' countries are in real danger of letting destructive forces control our future here is part of a new manifesto. it's a bit of a read and just an intro to a lot more reading, but give it a go. i think it's fairly close to the mark For those with long memories, today's financial crisis evokes nothing so much as the 1978-79 "winter of discontent", when Britain's trade unions, after weeks of often bitter strike action, smashed through a government pay limit. In place of the mounds of uncollected rubbish on the streets are mounds of suddenly worthless securities that nobody wants to buy. For the trade unions who believed their size and membership made them too big to ignore, there are the banks and brokerages that are, apparently, too big to fail. For the flying pickets, there are the financiers in pinstriped suits informing one and all that the failure of taxpayers to bail them out of the consequences of their huge mistakes would threaten a global meltdown. > > It's a depressing picture, certainly, but it prompts another reflection. The tables were turned on organised labour after the late 1970s, in both Britain and America. Might capitalism's winter (and spring) of discontent also prompt elected governments to reform an economic system that has been shattered by the excesses of the New Olympians? Might policymakers at last attempt to rein in the reckless orgy of speculation? With even the banks themselves admitting their mistakes, no more promising moment has presented itself for more than half a century. We can envisage a US president within the next few years dusting down a copy of Franklin Roosevelt's 1933 inauguration speech, when he said the "practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds > of men". > > It is against this background that we set out our own proposals for reform - a New Populism to replace the New Olympianism. > > First and foremost among its principles is the subordination of finance. Before the current madness, from Washington in the 1930s to London in the 1940s to Paris and Bonn in the 1950s and 1960s, financial-sector activities were kept on a tight rein, their destructive potential fully realised and their proper, auxilary role in relation to the real economy kept firmly in focus. It is time to remember that banks and other large corporations are creatures of law, and it is the public's right and duty to supervise them. > > Furthermore, they, the financial New Olympians, have had their chance. The result of letting them off the leash has been a disaster. > > Next comes personal and social security, the principle that society should insure its members against misfortune, protect their savings and make proper provision for their old age. This is what we tried to do in the past, and, in Britain, are trying again to do, with very mixed results, using a range of entitlements of frequently baffling complexity. The loss of a person's job ought to be a problem, not a cosmic disaster. > > Savings in approved schemes ought to be guaranteed. Why are the sort of high-quality pensions on offer in the postwar period now "unaffordable"? It would rightly be thought extraordinary were policymakers to agonise today over the difficulties of ensuring the average family could buy an Austin Cambridge car and a black-and-white television - our society is greatly wealthier than it was 40 years ago, and very much improved cars and consumer goods are relatively much less expensive. Why retirement schemes should be any different is not clear. > > A third principle is accountability, or "democracy", to put it slightly differently. The leaching away of powers from national parliaments to the New Olympians' mandarin allies in bodies such as the IMF, the World Trade Organisation, independent central banks and the European Commission would be obnoxious even without the economic and financial turmoil that it has created. So great is the democratic deficit that people increasingly either do not bother to vote or vote for non-mainstream parties. The answer from left-of-centre parties, terrified of crossing the Olympian orthodoxy, has been more of the same. Thus the UK's Labour party is losing votes to the British National Party and the Irish Labour party is losing votes to Sinn Fein. The response of both parties has been to cede more powers to Brussels and to insist on the need for another world trade agreement that will transfer more authority to the WTO. > > There have been suggestions that Gordon Brown is planning a bill reasserting the primacy of British law over EU law. That would be a most welcome blow against the Olympian system, but we fear it is unlikely to be proposed by Brown, a fundamentally conformist person with an apparent yearning for respectability. > > A fourth principle is the undesirability of a semi-detached super-rich class. Not only does such a class pull money values completely out of shape - in the housing market, for example - but it tends to be the fons et origo of the horrendous errors from which the world economy is now reeling. It was super-rich investment bankers and derivatives traders who dreamed up the collateralised debt obligations and exotic derivative products that have caused such chaos in the past year or so. It was the super-rich who have demanded cheap money for most of the past decade and cheered on the inflating of the credit bubble. > > This leads to our fifth principle, the protection and strengthening of an independent middle class. As we described yesterday, the super-rich and their political allies are destroying the middle class. Lawyers and doctors are to be faced with a stark choice between corporate employment and unemployment, while de-skilling and outsourcing are eating into occupations such as accountancy and journalism. Much of this is attributed to "market forces", when in fact it stems from legislative changes designed to tear down time-honoured protection for professionals. But even were the market driving all these changes, we believe the value of a professional middle class, independent of both the state and of corporate power, greatly outweighs any efficiency losses, and that the market ought to be curbed. > > Which leads neatly to our sixth principle: social stability and tranquillity are more important than market efficiency or shareholder value. In other words, to the specific protections from the market for the professions ought to be added a general protection for everybody. If market forces dictate the concreting over of the south of England, or the obliteration of British manufacturing, or the closure of the rural post office network, then they should be resisted. This is, of course, an impeccably conservative as well as a centre-left position. This is TE Utley, writing in the Daily Telegraph in 1977: "I simply do not believe that if society decides that some evil produced by the spontaneous forces of competition (ie, mass unemployment in an area like Ulster, afflicted by civil disturbance, or the destruction of the farming industry) calls stridently for governmental action to temper it, that action is bound to prove disastrous, however prudently and deliberately it is conceived and carried out." > > Our seventh and final principle may surprise some readers: liberty of the person. Hang on, you may say. You propose all sorts of controls on financial and business activity. It is a bit late in the day for you to start banging on about individual freedom. > > Not at all. The New Olympians have been keen to assert that their right to move colossal sums around the world, to speculate and to generate credit, is indivisible from the right of humbler folk to live their lives as they choose, but we argue otherwise. The Olympians are in receipt of huge legal and other support from the state; ordinary people, including the self-employed and those running small businesses, are not. And yet, as financial interests have been progressively freed over recent decades, the liberty of the person has been increasingly restricted. Spot-tested at work for drugs, monitored by closed-circuit television, subject to rules prohibiting "inappropriate" language, soon perhaps to be burdened with a national identity card, the individual is having a thin time of it. It is time to restore privacy and autonomy to the private citizen. > > Much is made of the need to make trade-offs between liberty and security in the age of terrorism. We are told that we must face restrictions on our liberty to prevent terrorist attacks, and few object to sensible restrictions in this respect. But the New Olympians must concede the same point. They have been merrily transporting the financial equivalent of fissile material around the world for several years now, and the result is widespread contamination of the financial system. > > So yes, our principles would give rise to much greater control of finance and big business. The "liberty" of the Olympians' institutions would be severely restricted. And this in turn gives rise to the objection that such controls would be ineffective, because "in a globalised world" there is nothing much that can be done to control the investment banks, hedge funds and others. > > This deprecation of interventionism is not new. As long ago as 1867, the writer and lawyer Richard Henry Dana was lecturing the Massachusetts legislature about the undesirability of passing laws against usury: "The market of the world moves with the irresistible power of ocean tides." But the notion is quite misleading, for two reasons. > > First, the technology that makes possible almost instantaneous money transfers around the world and split-second dealings in cash and securities also makes possible the tracking of such funds by national authorities. Indeed, large financial movements are tracked already, in the name of anti-money laundering measures. No one suggests this is a pointless activity. Should some form of capital controls be thought desirable, the surveillance and enforcement machinery should not be impossibly difficult to bring into existence. > > Second, there is a low-tech reinforcement for this hi-tech equipment. Contracts or deals entered into in offshore jurisdictions, or anywhere else, in defiance of financial controls could be declared void in British law, say. This "negative enforcement" is highly attractive. It requires no police; it relies simply on courts not doing something, ie recognising and enforcing financial arrangements made without authorisation. No one will sign a contract if they know that the other party can simply walk away from it once they start to lose money. > > Both these methods of enforcement also give the lie to the objection that financial controls can work only with international agreement. In some cases, the objector is genuine and really hopes for every country in the world to sign up to a grand treaty on controlling speculative activity. In others, the objection is a ploy from those with no desire to see finance put back in its cage, rather like the child who declares he is only too happy to tidy up his bedroom but only when his left thumb stops hurting. > > Not that international agreements are to be despised, provided two things are kept in mind. First, that, as things stand, such agreements are likely to be drawn up and enforced by the New Olympians' political and bureaucratic allies. Second, even when drawn up in good faith, such agreements tend to represent the minimum that all countries can sign up to. Individual nations serious about dismantling the New Olympian system will find they need to go it alone, at least to begin with. > > So given the above-mentioned principles, and given that, contrary to myth, measures can be enforced, what ought those measures to be? > > First, we suggest very much tighter controls on lending and on the generation of credit. Linked to this is a second suggestion, for the forced demerger of large banking and finance groups, splitting retail banking from both corporate finance and securities dealing. This would echo America's Glass-Steagall legislation, which separated retail and investment banking until the 1990s. > > Third, even the remaining demerged units are likely, in many cases, to be large entities. We would suggest breaking them up into smaller banks, on the principle that mega-banks make mega-mistakes that affect us all. Instead of institutions that are "too big to fail", we should aim for institutions that are small enough to fail without creating problems for depositors and the wider public. > > Fourth, we would suggest subjecting all exotic financial instruments to official inspection. Only those approved would be permitted to be traded. Anyone trying to circumvent the rules by going offshore or on to the internet would face the "negative enforcement" mentioned above - their contracts would be unenforceable in law. > > Fifth, we would seek to offer the same protection for our remaining top-class industrial companies as is routine in France or the US - and perhaps go further. Ultimately, the aim must be an orderly downsizing of the financial sector, much as postwar France and Italy sought an orderly move of employment from agriculture to industry. More of the engineers and technical experts from our best universities would end up making things. Some of the famed "rocket scientists" who spend their days in the City cooking up ever more abstract financial entities may even end up making rockets. > > Certainly, at a moment when the survival of human life on the planet might depend on our finding new technologies to generate energy and reduce our disruptive impact on natural systems, it seems perverse to the point of insanity to corral our brightest and best technicians on to trading floors. > > Sixth, we would sharply increase taxes on the hedge fund operators and private equity partners, to ensure at the very least that they pay the same rate of tax as their cleaners. The loophole whereby income can be disguised as a capital gain and thus taxed at a lower rate was closed by a previous Labour government in the mid-1960s, only, bizarrely, to be reopened by Labour more than three decades later. It is time to close it again. > > Seventh, we would suggest deregulating genuinely private businesses and the self-employed (frequently the two are synonymous). One byproduct of the Olympian myth that vast financial institutions are part of the "enterprise culture" has been the imposition on genuine enterprises of the sort of employment and other legislation used to extract at least some payback from the New Olympians for the benefits of limited liability and other privileges. The self-employed and small firms ought to be regulated only with regard to their activities (eg, a jam-maker would have to obey the food and hygiene laws) and not as businesses. Indeed, by greatly enhancing the attractiveness of the partnership or the small firm, such deregulation may divert many talented people from the pursuit of Olympian status to gentler, more rewarding and more socially useful business careers. > > None of this will be easy. Some of it may involve abrogating Britain's signature to various international agreements, not least the various European treaties. Nor does much of this New Populism appear to be immediately in prospect, despite the darkening clouds over the world economy. It could move rapidly on to the agenda should the crisis worsen markedly, but it is also possible that it will take time to piece together a Populist coalition. > > We have touched already on some of the elements that might join such an alliance: small business people and farmers (if there are any left); independent professionals and shopkeepers. Then there are those filling the basic supervisory roles that ought to be the backbone of society: railway station managers and their equivalents in bus depots and motorway service stations, police sergeants, prison officers, high-street store managers, noncommissioned officers in the forces and similar. We would seek to add two significant blocks of members: manufacturing and export businesses and trade union members. Industry and those working in it have been the biggest losers from the Olympian experiment as productive capacity has been destroyed and millions of manufacturing jobs wiped out. Those owning, running and working in industry know better than anyone the virulence with which New Olympianism has blighted the economy. Both union members and managers have much to gain from a more sensible attitude to industry. > > And those within such a coalition will always have the inestimable advantage of the fact that, beneath the shiny packaging, the Olympians' creed is and always has been the reverse of their own. It is Unpopulism, the belief system that sacrifices jobs and productive assets on the altar of deal-making, that demands schools and post offices be "rationalised" (ie closed), that insists on lower tax rates for the rich than for their domestic servants, that has created a vast debt bubble and chronic global instability, and that, even at this late hour, has the effrontery to suggest that the answer to the crisis lies in the even more enthusiastic application of free-market ideals. Unpopulism ought to make the selling of the New Populism a whole lot easier. > > © Larry Elliott and Dan Atkinson 2008. > > · Extracted from The Gods That Failed: How Blind Faith in Markets Has Cost Us Our Future by Larry Elliott and Dan Atkinson, to be published by The Bodley Head tomorrow, priced £12.99. To order a copy for £11.99 with free UK p&p go to guardian.co.uk/bookshop or call 0870 836 0875. For more information see the authors' blog at hegodsthatfailed.co.uk. > > Copyright Guardian Newspapers Limited 2008
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- June 10, 2008 at 1:23 pm
  
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- UK : Brits "proud" to be bad at maths? Auntie wrote: The British are uniquely happy to admit being bad at maths, says a report. Why is that and how can attitudes change? I'm not sure about the BBC's sums on £10k extra for a Maths A Level though, I have one and certainly don't earn 10k extra because of it... that said there is a video of a teacher explaining long division on the following report, I have to confess I had forgotten how to do this, looked at the first frame of the video and tried to work it out but couldn't:cry:. (I may watch the teacher lady later to remind me...) Have never quite understood calculus either... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7435023.stm 1 2 3
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- June 8, 2008 at 12:58 pm
  
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- UK : East : Mid Essex on power rationing after EDF man killed in substation blast I'm glad I don't work for EDF, this is about the sixth man blown up on the job in two years :you_crazy:hopeless: Quote: PEOPLE living in the area near an electricity sub-station which exploded, killing a man, are being asked to only use essential electricity supplies. The advice came from energy supplier EDF Energy yesterday after the blast in Chelmsford which killed one of the company's workers. EADT - picture credits : Essex County Fire and Rescue Service Press office
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- June 8, 2008 at 12:54 pm
  
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- Two young children die from stab wounds Just when you think it can't get any worse it does. Two kids one a five year old, the other four years old die after being stabbed. A third child is in a very serious condition. WTF is going on in this fucking country?????? Now whoever did this heinous crime needs to be hung. The bleeding hearts liberal dickheads will probably let the offenders off because of their human rights:you_crazy, This is absolutely appalling and the punishment for this crime should be death imo. Theres more here : - http://latestnews.virginmedia.com/news/uk/2008/05/31/pair_held_over_childrens_deaths
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