the forth dimension just been reading a bit about this and to be honest i more confused than i was before
anyone know or read anything intresting about this as its really intresing me at the moment
posted it on sj just thought i would see what your thought on it were:idea:
Does Chaos exist? Does Order exist? Does Chaos (randomness) really exist?
Or is it just really complex order?
Ppl sometimes say well look at a river, the water flows chaotically. But does it? Isn't it just really complex order?
Ppl sometimes say look at fractal images, they can be chaotic. But are they truly chaotic/random? The only way to prove it is to expand the sample size to infinity, then you can prove that the formula doesn't repeat itself.
Ppl sometimes say look at random number generators on calculators. But you would have to generate random numbers forever to prove that the sequence of numbers doesn't repeat itself. And in fact some calculators do start repeating themselves within a few hours.
Does Order exist?
And what is order? Why can't order be called chaos? And what if order, when followed through forever, just dissolves into randomness, and the order that you saw was actually a random glitch that looked like a recognisable, ordered sequence?
Border of Order
If there are isolated bits of chaos in the universe, then what does the border between chaos and order look like? Is it really possible to have a border between chaos and order? Cos surely, when chaos hits the border with order, it becomes ordered, because it sticks to its border.
If a little island of chaos suddenly appeared in an ordered universe, wouldn't it instantly engulf the whole universe, because there can't be any border between order and chaos?
Similarly, if a little island of order suddenly appeared in a chaotic unverse, wouldn't it instantly engulf the whole universe, because there can't be any border between chaos and order? :weee:
Oh yeah, also: I reckon that the reason why some victims of serious crime try to speak with the perpetrator of that crime is because: They can't bear the thought of the slightest bit of chaos existing in the universe, because that would mean the whole universe is chaotic, because there can't be a border between chaos and order. Chaos = not understanding why the criminal did what he did.12…45
Religion, War, Buddhism, Global Disharmony, Johnny Allen
General Lighting wrote:
the only religion i know not associated with violence is Buddhism - maybe because it advocates positive thinking rather than social control structures.
Not true, l think every major religion has been caught up in serious fighting. I edited out examples in this post as l don't want to diss anyone's faith. This world sometimes messes people up :( All sorts of people get caught up in terrible wars.
However, to balance remarks that have been flying around: WW1 & WW2, Stalin's purges, Mao's revolution, Vietnam, Korea, the Latin American wars... they were merciless conflicts and nothing to do with religion. I wonder how many people died as a result of these conflicts, compared to how many died from religious conflicts? I have no idea.
* Religions are well-known to feed and clothe the poor.
* Most/all non-religious governments feed and clothe the poor too, with their welfare systems, or at least they strive to.
Whether or not you are religious, this is a good maxim about war: the next worse thing to losing a war is winning one.
One solution to global disharmony:
If you see yourself as a good person, then be kind. If you see yourself as a bad person, then just stick to being polite until some ruffneck does the dirty on you. Badmen can be polite, it doesn't make 'em soft, c.f. Johnny Allen my hero!!!
R.I.P. Johnny, l wish you'd stuck Phil Mitchell's potato head in a vice.
Ruby Allen, l really admire you too.
MORE than 100,000 young UK Muslims Islam youths are 'rejecting UK'
MORE than 100,000 young UK Muslimshold extremist or anti-British beliefs, a shock report suggests today.
Tens of thousands think Muslims who switch religions should be punished by death.
More than a third want Taliban-style Sharia law, which regards women rape victims as guilty and says adulterers should be killed by stoning.
And more than one in ten of the 16 to 24-year-olds polled “admire” Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda and other terror groups.
The survey was carried out last month for centre-right think tank Policy Exchange.
Census figures show there are about 320,000 British Muslims in the age group polled — suggesting 100,000 are rejecting British values and culture.
The poll found three-quarters think women should cover their whole face with a veil. Four out of ten plan to send their kids to Islamic-only schools.
The Policy Exchange report says: “There is a growing religiosity amongst the younger generation of Muslims.
“They feel they have less in common with non-Muslims and show a stronger preference for Islamic schools and Sharia law.”
Security chiefs have warned ministers that Britain is almost certainly facing another terror strike by home-grown fanatics.
The poll reveals only six per cent of youngsters believe the Muslim Council of Britain represents their views.
That is a huge blow to Tony Blair who believes the body can play an important part in improving
Taken from: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007040620,00.html12
What’s your opinion? Found this on a Danish news channel :weee:
http://dr.dk/Debat/Debatter/Etik+og+tro.htm?strItemID=forum&action=viewcontribution&intContributionID=17752
Quote:
En 61-årig dansk kvinde har født sit første barn på Rigshospitalet i København.
Da dansk lovgivning sætter stopper for kunstig befrugtning ved 45-årsalderen måtte hun til England for at blive behandlet.
Hvad mener du om, at en 61-årig bliver nybagt mor? Skal de danske regler for kunstig befrugtning justeres?
What is say is:
A 61 year old women have given birth to her first child,a baby girl..
The Danish legislation don't allow women over 45 to be artificially inserminated..
So she went to UK,because there are no law agains it there..
Lot of different oppinions about that in Danmark..
- Some say that she have more life experience than a 19 year old girl
- Some say it's repulsive
- Some say she is selfish and should be ashamed
- Some say Congratulation
What do YOU say ??
Is it morally right to do this..
Or should the law be changed in the UK or Denmark..
rebalancing karma post rave? I'm not that much of a "hippy" type but recently everytime after I've had a really excellent party I try to do other positive stuff once I've recovered..
Its simple things like trying to still do my best at work despite being a bit broken, being friendly to people or animals (I tend to befriend random cats I meet in the countryside), being consderate on my bike (like not riding on pavements and forcing grannies to take evasive action), or supporting places like charity shops and community organisationn
I try my best to avoid mood swings and being angry (its not that I don't get them, I am not superman) but I try not to take them out on others...
it might seem strange but I think its important to do this in some way as its payback for getting away with all the "naughty" stuff you do at parties :groucho: - drugs, rinsing tat out of warehouses etc...
amazingly I've found (although its probably some psychological thing) it actually seems to minimise the negative effect midweek :)
Charity sets up faith specific drugsline
bbc.co.uk wrote:
A drugs charity is to launch a new helpline to cater for addicts within the Jewish and Muslim faiths.
Quote:
Rabbi Sufrin said: "It will enable us to provide bespoke services to parts of the community where drugs and alcohol addiction are often taboo, and little or no support is offered."
The full report is here
drugsline's site
Stillness Just thought id mention someone who i have foudn both inspirational, educational and also practially tangable....
Mr.Eckhart Tolle...
http://www.eckharttolle.com/home.php
:love:
New religion What do you guys think..
Would you join a "religion" like this instead of the religions we have today ?
Umada and Yunyun
Jedi Knights They Are
Updated: 10:29, Thursday November 16, 2006
Two self-styled Jedi Knights are stepping up an intergalactic campaign for formal recognition.
Umada and Yunyun, also known as John Wilkinson and Charlotte Law, want the UN to acknowledge "The Force" is worthy of being called a religion.
The couple claim to be part of the UK's fourth largest religious group, after 400,000 people recorded their faith as "Jedi" in the 2001 Census.
They say that as a religion, they deserve tolerance and respect. November the 16th is the annual International Day for Tolerance.
And as part of a global battle worthy of Luke Skywalker's efforts against the Empire, the band of self-styled Jedis want the UN to re-name the day as Interstellar Day of Tolerance.
More people claim their religion to be Jedi in England and Wales than those who follow Sikhism, Judaism and Buddhism. And the cause has global support.
There are also 70,000 Jedi knights in Australia, 53,000 in New Zealand, and 20,000 in Canada.
This is Umada and Yunyun's letter to the UN Association:
To whom it may concern,
For the last ten years the United Nations has marked today as the International Day of Tolerance.
While we support this important work, we feel the UN needs to move with the times.
In the 2001 UK census, 390,000 people identified themselves as Jedi Knights, making us the fourth largest religion in the country.
We have a proud heritage dating back 195,000 years to our first Jedi, the blue haired, blue eyed Kaja Sinis, who was born on Coruscant.
Like the United Nations, the Jedi Knights are peacekeepers, and we feel we have the basic right to express our religion through wearing our robes, and to be recognised by the national and international community.
We therefore call upon you to change the 16th November to the United Nations Interstellar Day of Tolerance, to reflect the religious make-up of our twenty-first century civilization.
Tolerance is about respecting difference where ever it lies, including other galaxies. Please don't exclude us from your important work.
May the Force be with you.
fear shouldn’t be a motivator there are too many reasons to change the way we live for the better that aren't motivated by fear
"In this infinite sea of potentials that exist around us, how come we keep recreating the same realities?"
Dr Joseph Dispenza (From What The Bleep Do We Know?)
NOT ONLY THE world of politics and business, but even much of the environmental movement is driven by fear. "We should take care of planet Earth, or else!" "We should reduce carbon emissions, or global warming will bring an end to civilisation." "We should use less petroleum, or the oil will run out." These are the fears behind much environmental thinking. Many of the books published in the past few months rest on the premise that the end of the world is nigh unless we change our ways.
Fear seems to rule our lives, our politics and our world. Fear of terrorism, fear of death, fear of old age, of loneliness, of illness, of being attacked or abused: fear, fear, fear.
Because of fear we build nuclear weapons and then to save ourselves from nuclear weapons we build nuclear bunkers! Because of the fear of scarcity we pursue economic growth; economic growth causes global warming; to save ourselves from global warming we want to cover the Earth with wind turbines or nuclear power stations, which take out land from food production, which causes scarcity … The karmic vicious circle of fear goes round and round.
As Albert Einstein said, you cannot solve a problem with the same mindset that caused the problem in the first place. Fear is the cause of environmental problems, which cannot be solved by fear of global catastrophe.
In the past we used to be told, "Be good, or you will go to hell." Now we say, "Be environmentally friendly, or civilisation will come to an end." Fear is a bad reason for being a good environmentalist. There are better reasons to care for the Earth. Living in harmony with the Earth is good in itself. Sustainable, frugal, simple and compassionate ways of living are fair to all beings - humans and other than humans. A culture of nonviolence, respect and reverence for life has to become part of our psychological make-up. Even if there were no global warming and no shortage of oil, we should not be destroying life, because life is sacred. And through gratitude to life we are enchanted and inspired and happy. Caring for the Earth community, which includes the human community, is a matter of joy, and not a matter of compulsion. Ecology or environmentalism is a way of life, not a way of crisis management.
full article here
Becoming a Monk So me and my girlfriend went up to the north east of Thailand to see something that I have always wanted to witness. When she said to me " Do you want to come to Udonthani to see my friends boyfriend become a monk " I jumped at the chance. So after a 8 hour bus ride from Bangkok we arrived and was kindley made welcome at the monk to be's parents for 3 days. :wink::love:
After a good sleep on a hard mat we woke up at 6am and went to the Temple.
Day1.
Arrived at the temple and we all went inside, I sat on the mat and feeling a litttle weird, all eyes were on me and not on the monk to be, but I sat in silence and respected there religon. So it started with the prayers singing and wailing,which was comforting, I even but my hands together and waied at the budda image. After the food was given to the monks (giving arms) we got are share of food and sat and ate. Then I meet him , the monk to be. I wai, and said "sawadcup" He smiled and said " hello". Took a walk to the other temple and began cuting his hair. The Thai's had got all the equipment ready including a leaf which catches the hair as it falls. This leaf is kept by the family. The family first cuts the hair and even gave me the scissors to have a snip. Then the monks shave the hair and the eyebrows. I asked my girl why this is done and she says " so a monk does not need to rely on shampoo and is going back to a new birth ". Then he went into the temple and he got his 'angel dress' This garment is given before the orange robes as a symbol of a new begining. We went back to his house which is in the temple complex were he signs some paperwork. He then went to pray and we went home to eat again. A monk only eats once a day and this is in the morning. :wink:
Day2
This seemed a longer day with lots of praying and singing. Lots of speeches or prayers all in Thai so I really didn't understand much of what was happening. We then got up and walked to the other temple. Then they walk around the temple. The monk walks around the temple 3 times with all his family and friends chanting at the top of their voice with drums banging and flutes tweeting (it sounded like bad teckno). He stops at the main door then enters the temple after asking the head monk to enter the monk hood.
Then the monks dress him in his orange robes and is escorted to the front of the temple. He ask's pemisssion to enter the temple, goes inside and sits in front of the budda image. Then is surronded by the other monk's, they pray together. After a good 30 mins he comes outside and the party begins. He is now a monk and I'm in ore.
I have tryed to tell this story from what I know and what I saw but as you know Buddism is a complexed religon. So If I have left something important out I'm sorry. Also I added alot of photos I hope it isn't to many but every picture paints a thousand words.:wink:
now this is more like what should be going on i like the sound of this
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/5264380.stm
any one know of any others in operation and what religions share them?
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