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alot of prisons have a ‘hospital wing’ that is a psychiatric wing,
there are also specialist spychiatric secure prisons that cater for disordered offenders,
so they wouldnt go to your local psych ward
there are also specialist spychiatric secure prisons that cater for disordered offenders,
so they wouldnt go to your local psych ward
yeah but the thing is if like dj prosess is saing we treat more people as mentaly ill because of the minlessness of what they have done .. (like the fact that you can’t be in your right mind thinking it is ok to kill some one) instead of just locking them up .. to cater for the massive increase of mentaly ill peope you would need to build more secure hospitals or find some other way of acomodating them.
dont think this would ever happen tbh,
prision system to draconian to take on anything like this,
and its a punative system rather than rehabilitation IMO
yeah thats exactly what i am saing … regardless of weather it’s a better idea to put people into mental asylums than prissons it’s just not practical and probbaly will never happen
there are also specialist spychiatric secure prisons that cater for disordered offenders,
so they wouldnt go to your local psych ward
perhaps more work needs to be done in this area… but then again as harsh as it sounds I think some people are beyond rehabilitation, and that there is the potential in everyone to commit violent crime if they don’t see anything better in their lives. I wouldn’t consider myself to be mentally disordered but there have been darker times in my life where the only thing what has stopped me using violence or even wanting to kill a rival is simply that I would eventually get nicked, and that prison life would be shit compared to my normal life even at its worst.
Today with a career, a house and supportive family and friends there is a lot more incentive for me to stay within the law to more of an extent than in my teens or twenties!
it is however very rare for a teenager with no previous criminal record to seriously hurt or kill someone, and a lot of these people have been given chances in the past.
In many cases they have been known as school bullies so perhaps more work should be done earlier in life to stop younger kids turning to criminal behaviour and to ensure there are alternatives to crime, but at the same time making youths aware of the consequences of their actions.
I don’t think there is any easy solution as in some cases prison for serious violent offences in a modern Western nation has to simply be a dustbin for dysfunctional humans and to punish them and keep them out of the way as the death penalty is no longer acceptable -at prison today gives people a second chance if they have been wrongly convicted or they genuinely do show remorse (I think it will count positively for parole boards etc).
YEA!that is a damn good idea make sure its under bullet proof glass so he has no chance of getin rid of it, I reackon that may actualy work, or it may make him to remorsefull an kill himself, but I reakon some or even most people would call that justice to.Its were you draw the line and start the refom is the bit they need to learn..
Damn good idea tho!!
In many cases they have been known as school bullies so perhaps more work should be done earlier in life to stop younger kids turning to criminal behaviour and to ensure there are alternatives to crime, but at the same time making youths aware of the consequences of their actions.
totally agree,
I read quite a lot about profiles and how peoples offending extends esp in sexual offences, as they ‘get away’ with it and then push the boundaries
this is an interesting book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jigsaw-Man-Paul-Britton/dp/059304066X
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The autobiography of Paul Britton, one of the foremost offender profilers in the world. What he searches for at the scene of a crime are not fingerprints, fibres or blood stains, he looks for the “mind trace” left behind by those responsible, the psychological characteristics that can help the police to identify and understand the nature of the perpetrator. Over the past dozen years, Britton has assisted the police in over 100 cases involving murder, rape, arson, extortion and kidnapping. Among them were the murder of Jamie Bulger on a lonely railway line in Liverpool, the abduction of baby Abbie Humphries, the brutal slaying of Rachel Nickell on Wimbledon Common and the notorious “House of Horror” in Gloucester. He has helped to solve some of Britain’s most baffling cases, and has also advised the FBI and the Russian Ministry of the Interior.From the Back Cover
Forensic psychologist Paul Britton asks himself four questions when he is faced with a crime: what has happened; who is the victim; how was it done; and why? Only when he has the answers to these questions can he address the fifth: who is responsible? Paul Britton has assisted the police in over a hundred cases and has an almost mythic status in the field of crime deduction. His achievements read as though from the pages of Conan Doyle or Agatha Christie. What he searches for at the scene of the crime are not fingerprints, fibres or bloodstains – he looks for the ‘mind trace’ left behind by those responsible: the psychological characteristics that can help the police to identify and understand the nature of the perpetrator.
The Jigsaw Man is not only a detective story involving some of the most high-profile cases of recent years, but also a journey of discovery into the darkest recesses of the human mind to confront the question ‘Where does crime come from?’
I dont think there is a mental issue at all, think it was %100 pre medatated he washed him self in petrol, burnt his cloths, got rid of the weapon propper an all his mates were helping him do this, so imo that he knew exactly what he was doing and so did his friends.Maybe if he had shown remorse or if it was him acting alone that would then show that there is some issue going on but the way they done it, NO..I say this because I have traveld alot and no alot of people and sadly some of thepeople I met had good upbringings but wouldnt think twice about putting a knife in you or a bottle in your face which is just sik and discusting but these people no exactly what there doing and just dont give a shit!
Damn good idea tho!!
there are actually people what would be totally unaffected by this though…
A few years ago (I can’t remember whether it was in the UK or another EU nation), an elderly resident in a nursing home was busted for war crimes – on the wall in his room was a portrait of the guy in his SS uniform which he had carefully saved from the war which led to evidence being found about him being a willing participant in concentration camp atrocities..
Now this chap has had over half a century to decide whether or not it was something he was proud of, with all the changes in social attitudes of Europe he kept the picture and clearly still showed no remorse what he had done in the war..
also the younger of the two indians what shot (Mahatma) Ghandi was interviewed for parole in 2000 or so (was some sort of Indian thing where they give clemency to criminals at religious festival time) – he wasn’t hanged because he was <17 at the time but he said he still hated Ghandi and would “shoot that bastard all over again” if the clock could be turned back..
A few years ago (I can’t remember whether it was in the UK or another EU nation), an elderly resident in a nursing home was busted for war crimes – on the wall in his room was a portrait of the guy in his SS uniform which he had carefully saved from the war which led to evidence being found about him being a willing participant in concentration camp atrocities..
Now this chap has had over half a century to decide whether or not it was something he was proud of, with all the changes in social attitudes of Europe he kept the picture and clearly still showed no remorse what he had done in the war..
just playing devils advocate again, but when people have been that brain washed it is very hard for them to change thier minds on thier own. when people come out of being in a cult they have to be deprogramed. I know world views/opinions might have changed, but if he’s got it in his head that he is right and everything else is wrong so he is only going to look for opinions that support his own views and ignore other views that are contadictory to his. I mean there is still some people that fought against the germans and still hold resentment to the germans as a race instead of the nazi philosophy and hitler etc.
if you take a life, and show no remorse, ur life should be taken!
i know its a nieve opinion, but it should be true
I think that 22 years is excessive, and as for him never seeing daylight/eing physically punished I disagree, he was after all 16 when he commited the offence and only 18 now… the importance of this stage and vulnerability is such that morals and values can be shaped by numerous outside factors and extremely distorted.
It was a horrific act but even for no remorse, a 16 year old spending time till he is 40, effectively… I think they could review his case in maybe 10 years (or less imo, but I’m trying to compromise) and see if he has had any sort of sucessful rehabilitation and remorse for his actions.
i know its a nieve opinion, but it should be true
Capital punishment? Absolutely not.
Reasons against capital punishment (taken from the BBC but added to by myself where it’s in italics):
* Capital punishment goes against our most basic human right – the right to life. Furthermore, it is hypocritical and essentially state-sponsored murder – it is lowering yourself to the level of the murderer themselves and in an indirect way somewhat condoning it as a legitimate act.
* Lethal injection and electrocution are not always smooth and painless. They can cause painful deaths and are actually a form of torture.
* Keeping prisoners on death row for many years (16 years in Tracy’s case) is itself cruel and a form of torture.
Deterrence argument
* No one has ever been able to demonstrate statistically that killing murderers deters others. Another huge argument used in Britain, usually by ignorant Mail readers… “bring back the death penalty, that’ll stop ’em!”
* When countries (eg Canada) get rid of the death penalty there is no instant increase in crime.
Execution of the innocent argument
* Legal systems always make some mistakes. Executing the wrong person makes people think the law is unfair. Oh, but what if we were 100% sure?! Yeah, like all the other times people have been “sure”.
* 95 people have been released from death row in the USA since 1973. They were found to have been wrongly convicted. Fuck it, we can sacrifice a few innocents if it means killing one bastard, right?
…An eye for an eye would make the whole world blind.
In places such as modern European elderly communities they are encouraged to “mention the war” and to reflect upon about what happened, for good and bad.
Many gang members are like this because without the gang they are nothing.
there are people who are sociopathic and angry enough to resist deprogramming. Although the death penalty may isn’t acceptable, in these stubborn cases they must be kept away from opportunities to harm others as much as possible until they have been deprogrammed. This may mean very long prison sentences/isolation in some cases.
It was a horrific act but even for no remorse, a 16 year old spending time till he is 40, effectively… I think they could review his case in maybe 10 years (or less imo, but I’m trying to compromise) and see if he has had any sort of sucessful rehabilitation and remorse for his actions.
fair enuf about the capital punishment thing,
so what if hes gonna be in jail till hes 40, the other kid is dead, his life has been wasted!
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