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@!sinner69! 459311 wrote:

This means they now can put him away for life, a prison sentence would have given him max 21 years…..it also means that if they find him sane again they can let him out after 3 years, but that not very likely looking of his monstrous act of insanity…. So in short, they lock him up and throw away the key….

this is the same as the UK laws for serious crimes committed by mentally ill people. the UK does however also have a whole life tarriff usually used against multiple killers – the most recent use of it being in my town as the penalty for the serial killer of prostitutes.

I remember reading somewhere that NO could increase the tarriff for crimes of this nature and there would even be no restriction on reintroducing the death penalty as Norway is not in the EU but it would need debate in parliament/court and/or emergency legislation – of a kind not used since the aftermath of the nazi occupation.

Of course doing anything of this nature would be handing the hard right a tactical victory as they would have succesfully have changed a country’s laws via terrorism as much as the old style nazis did. A similar bomber in England in the late 1990s was detained for life in such a manner. Although he remains unrepentant, the very fact that he is in a closely monitored secure mental hospital rather than a large prison means that all his communications and friendships can be more easily scrutinised (unlike normal prison where it must take absolutely ages to go through stuff like phone intercepts and there may be human rights laws against monitoring communication with lawyers etc) and because of this the feds have been able to get intelligence and prevent further attacks on England from the hard right (there were for instance many attempts on festivals and music events in the late 1990s and early 2000s).

I know us lot in Blighty try to use jokes to defuse talking about the bad news but really this must never be pushed under the carpet.

like it or not, the fact that in England we have a great deal of free speech and a more critical view abotu authority/central govt than even much of mainland Europe was abused by this killer – think about this – why go to the trouble of writing 6 000 words in a second European language to start with, and why pick English when any of the Germanic languages would have been accessible to someone who has high school level education and speaks Norweigian?

Norway is a lot like us here in the East of England and other coastal areas of the UK, but with Ø (Ø is important as it means many things which make Scandinavia unique).

However I expect that if anyone had said in Norweigian that paying so much taxes for services they don’t agree with was wrong and started showing an irrational level of anger about it (as opposed to simply voting for the centre rigth party like anywhere else in Europe) they would have been quietly judged as a “bit mental”, their comms traced (even with the privacy laws) and taken off to mental hospital before they get a chance to hurt anyone.

but in England, in spite of political correctness, its possible to make real violent threats against actual or perceived enemies on any English language forum. Luckily our feds aren’t that stupid and can normally work out who are real thugs and who is just taking the piss or making idle threats, Ok there are a few false alarms but it by and large gives people free speech. and this was what got abused here, as neither our feds nor European ones thought someone would plan a attack in English when they came from another country!

don’t forget also that the only reason that things like dance festivals don’t get shot up or bombed by the hard right, by Al Quaeda or even just people what have done way too much hard drugs and gone mental is because of all the nanny state surveillance that most of our ticket prices go for and is also used to stop people having “too much fun” when it comes to drugs etc…

In other words in the UK we have already lost our freedom and the various violent folk have taken it away from us. I learned this when I started researching licensing laws in the UK over 10 years ago – much of the perceived “paranoia” of coppers and municipal authorities when it comes to large gatherings isn’t a overreaction but from bitter experience of what has happened at large group events in the UK and Europe over the last 20-40 years, and a lot of really nasty things have only been prevented due to the so-called “nanny states” making sure we played nice. There’s stuff I learned about in the 90s that still shocks me to these days and I’d still rather not discuss on public forums as even if the threat has reduced slightly it annoys me to think that small groups of thugs basically can get whole events locked off or disrupted plus discussing their methods too openly gives ideas to others.