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    I got directed to this story from another board, and it looks a little worrying.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,1072-2049791,00.html

    there’s a Schnews version of the story, too.

    http://www.schnews.org.uk/archive/news534.htm

    The one sentence which instills the most fear in me is in the Times article which says (and I quote) “The Government claims that there is nothing to worry about…”

    Run for the hills.

    that is disturbing

    worst thing about it is its a “very British way” of dealing with things – its not absolute totalitarianism but “death by a thousand cuts” – basically making it illegal to be stubborn or awkward toward the plans of a Government department.

    I’ve also always thought that although the UK does not assasinate activists, nor throw them indefinitely into gulags like some other countries, but it works by breaking them using the existing restraints of society and the penal system

    Even using low level penalties an activist can be forced into submission by sapping their resources both material and spiritual – property seizures, arrests and detentions, being known as a “troublemaker” and finding it difficult to get employment or services because of this – and in many cases the activists become mentally ill and/or take their lives by their own hands… this legislation seems almost cynically engineered to facilititate this kind of “re-education”…

    as an example I heard of a young lad caught up in the riot which occured last year in North Wales after conflict erupted at a rave. Although he wasn’t involved in the violence or even brought before Court, the seizure of his employers’ van cost him his job – even though he was using it with permission his employers had to let him go as the time the van was impounded for (about a week) caused lost business which wiped out any value he had brought to the company.

    this had the knock on effect of him becoming estranged from his family, and leaving the family home as well – his whole life disrupted just after attending one rave

    It has the potential to totally eliminate activism or dissent from anyone who has anything to lose by being processed through the criminal justice system – many people will simply think “its not worth it”

    The increasing use of CRB checks for job applications, the fact that even a short sentence of imprisonment renders people virtually unemployable (66% of employers said they would refuse an interview to anyone who had been in jail without even asking what their crime was) and the obvious fact that prison breaks up families will in the short term make many “normal” people think twice about getting involved in “illegal activity”.

    However it eventually means the only activists left will be mostly single males, perhaps those already involved in wider crime including violence – with the stakes raised so high, many will indeed decide to act “by any means necessary” -thus potentially creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that “activism = terrorism” and an eventual upsurge in violence…

    the worst part of this is I fear many Middle Englanders (even if they have intital misgivings) will actually accept this legislation (as has happened in other countries) in return for “economic stability” or “less fear of crime” – however would expect the net result should this legislation pass may not be long-term stability but simmering resentment, increased crime and even the risk of civil war!

    what isn’t surprising in this seriously wrong piece of legislation, is the caveat that it won’t be used to alter taxation

    so the business lobby don’t have anything to fear from it

    :toxic:

    makes me so mad i could literally shit

    my MP is one of the worst, sycophantic, career politicians of the new labour lot

    writing to him / challenging him is worse than useless

    :bitter:

    ……In an almost deserted chamber, the Government proposed an extraordinary Bill that will drastically reduce parliamentary discussion of future laws, a Bill some constitutional experts are already calling “the Abolition of Parliament Bill”.

    Carrying ID cards could be made compulsory, smoking in one’s own home could be outlawed and the definition of terrorism altered to make ordinary political protest punishable by life imprisonment. Nor will the Human Rights Act save us since the Bill makes no exception for it.

    The Bill gives ministers the power to ‘amend repeal or replace’ any law passed by Parliament without consulting Parliament. The only limitations are that new crimes cannot be created if the penalty is greater than two years in prison and that it cannot increase taxation. But any other law can be changed, no matter how important.

    The Bill, bizarrely, even applies to itself, so that ministers could propose orders to remove the limitations about two-year sentences and taxation. It also includes a few desultory questions (along the lines of “am I satisfied that I am doing the right thing?”) that ministers have to ask themselves before proceeding, all drafted subjectively so that court challenges will fail, no matter how preposterous the minister’s answer.

    The potential consequences if this bill gets through parliament are disastrous and an affront to the values of democracy, yet most people know absolutely nothing about it.

    The bill can be found in full here:
    http://www.publications.parliament.u….1-4.html#j001

    http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2006/…?c=on#comments

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article…049791,00.html

    If our local MPs resist it, we have a chance of fighting it.
    I have written to my M.P about this.
    I suggest that everyone reading this do the same. Please follow the link below, it will take you 2 mins.

    http://www.Parliament.uk/directories/hciolists/alms.cfm

    sorry for double posting

    globalloon wrote:
    my MP is one of the worst, sycophantic, career politicians of the new labour lot

    writing to him / challenging him is worse than useless

    :bitter:

    Write to him anyway.

    In fact, get as many people as you can to write to him, and get them to use snail mail and brown envelopes with no return address (so somebody has to at least find out what it is).

    Maybe he can be irritated into doing something, and if not, at least you get to annoy him…:toxic::toxic::toxic::toxic:

    don’t worry

    i write to him frequently

    he refuses to ever comment on anything or offer an opinion

    just replies with ‘thank you for your letter’

    wanker

    globalloon wrote:
    don’t worry

    i write to him frequently

    he refuses to ever comment on anything or offer an opinion

    just replies with ‘thank you for your letter’

    wanker

    what is that, part of the induction into the house of commons or summat?

    none of our “representatives” represent anything other than their own desire to stay in power.

    so hard to remain constructive about this, i can get impotently angry about it, or ignore it, but i cant see a constructive route other than to feed my mps paper shredder.

    arg! impotent rage!

    im off to ignore

    This is the most worrying of all the draconian legislation proposed by neo labour and as much as i’d like to see an increasingly reduced role of central government in the domestic decision making process, i’d still like to retain the safeguarding of “British Democracy” at parliamentary level to ensure proper scrutiny of any future proposed legislation, at least until such times as we have wholesale parliamentary reform with the abolition of “The cabinet” and a more representative style of democracy.

    I’ve just about had it up to my back teeth with neo labours cow towing to the demands of Big Business and their wholesale assault on hard fought for freedoms with sweeping anti democratic legislation, if this bill goes through the UK will be a mere stepping stone away from a fascist dictatorship.

    i wish the left would get it’s fkin arse in gear and get it’s act together i really do.

    Yeah I mean I hope those dildos dont pass it . .

    Praise God

    Col Said – i wish the left would get it’s fkin arse in gear and get it’s act together i really do.

    Im thinking about the Respect Coallition

    I THINk m8, thats maybe where the left is now?

    Labour has gone all Staliny/ Neo (means whatever they want to do theyll do) Labour <(replace with popular political ideology of choice)

    CT23 wrote:
    Yeah I mean I hope those dildos dont pass it . .

    Praise God

    Col Said – i wish the left would get it’s fkin arse in gear and get it’s act together i really do.

    Im thinking about the Respect Coallition

    I THINk m8, thats maybe where the left is now?

    Labour has gone all Staliny/ Neo (means whatever they want to do theyll do) Labour <(replace with popular political ideology of choice)

    i was thinking more about the anarchists/socialists/communists and pursuants of long lasting social change getting their fingers out their “academic elitist” arses and diverting our numbers away from the one eyed llamas in outer mongolia and onto issues more pressing.

    The only hope left for western democracy and ultimately the rest of the world is the dismantling of the apparatus that governs us.

    The revolution that was not to be televised is fast becoming the revolution that never happened.

    an update here>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4940668.stm

    awaiting further clarification of what the proposed amendments might be

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